Punish the Sin and Not the Sinner - Hypocrisy
Punishment is about communicating condemnation as in grave disapproval to the
person who asks for it and earns it by taking away rights from them. It is
condemnation in action where you lose for making somebody else lose.
A sin is a crime - it says, "Judge me. I'm bad - I should not be tolerated or go unpunished." Sin means a crime against God. A crime in the secular world means an offence against society as represented by the state.
Most spiritual leaders and religions say that the only real way for sin to be punished is for it to injure and damage yourself as a person who is moral in nature. It is an attack on yourself, your personhood and your identity. Then the problem with that is that it rules out any need for a God or society to punish. Indeed if they do then that is just revenge and vindictive. It implies that a person - and that would be everybody! - who does not understand that all evil you do as beneficial as it looks damages your core personality cannot administer justice and indeed should not be let in a courthouse door. The fact remains that we all see this self-punishment as a pack of lies. It is not the same thing as being found guilty and condemned.
Religion tends to argue that sin in some incomprehensible
way damages the sinner and thus punishes him. That means that in some way
the person is less human and more objectified and degraded. That
totally refutes any notion of treating the sinner with full dignity. It
demands abuse of the sinner.
A crime needs to be punished by society in some way. Sometimes the school punishes. Sometimes where appropriate the state has to do it.
For religious people, sin has to be punished by God and often by man as well. Often God is seen as punishing people through the state (Romans 13). The two co-operate.
Punishment is a necessary evil because society cannot function unless people are punished for crimes. If crime did not affect society then punishment should not happen. It is vindictive then. Operations are necessary for people to be healthy but if everybody was healthy then performing operations would be a sick abuse. Bringing God into it as an extra and unnecessary punisher is just a cloak for hoping that bad people suffer for what they have done whether they reform or not.
For believers in God, the ultimate reason to punish crime
is that crime is against the will of God. God is the ultimate - the goal
behind all goals.
It is conclusive - to say that God exists is to by default become vindictive against those who commit civil or religious crimes.
Back to how a crime or sin relates to divine and human retribution or punishment. To say love the sinner and punish the sin would imply you want the sinner to, among other things, to avoid punishment from either authority. If the sin goes on the person will get punishment from God, from the state and will be targeted by those who punish in their own way by condemning her or gossipping about her or even firing a brick through the window. There is both punishment from legitimate and illegitimate authority to worry about. But notice what is happening - read between the lines. "You should be punished and your actions will have bad consequences for example people picking on you and gossipping. You opened the door to all that and are the real cause." The love is not so sweet now!!
Punishment that is not an expression of personal feeling against evil or the evil person is not punishment at all. It is like trying to think of the flu without admitting that there is a personal and human element. Punishing is a way of disapproving seriously of evil and taking the evil as seriously as it should be taken. Punishment that is not punishment is intended to be an injustice.
The hypocrisy of Christians who say we must judge sin not the sinner is
astounding. In other words, the sin is told it is wrong and worthy of punishment
but the sinner is not wrong or deserving of punishment.
To hate is to wish harm on. Punishing is wishing or inflicting harm on somebody
in order to make them pay for their evil.
To love is to wish for somebody's wellbeing.
Yet religion says we can love the person and hate their sin and exact
retribution on it.
Punishing sin but not persons is really not punishing at all. It's not
retribution. It's anti-justice. If you separate the sin from the person and make
the person suffer for the sin that is intended to be revenge not justice. Those
who hate and punish the sinner could be better people than you.
Trying to overcome evil with evil involves trying to make the person see evil for how repulsive it is. That is what we mean by teaching them a lesson through hurting them. It is about making them endure evil so that they understand what they have done. It seems that trying to overcome evil with acts you think are morally neutral is okay. It seems it is okay as long as you are not fighting evil with evil. Neutrality is better than evil.
Thus we see that banning revenge as in giving evil for evil is not enough and another avenue for a form of revenge can be found.
Is it hating the sinner that is so bad or punishing/taking revenge on the
sinner?
No truly good person holds that it is the crime that matters not what the crime
says about the person. Indeed it would be evil to condemn an action and risk
upsetting the person if it is only the action that matters. Those who believe in
love the sinner and hate the sin are worse than those who admit that to hate the
sin is to hate the sinner. They do justice great harm and make a laughing stock
of morality or right and wrong. While they claim to love the sinner they show
intolerance to the person who judges the sinner and who demands justice! What
hypocrites they are!
If a person has to be punished for a crime should her character be taken into
account? If she is a philanthropist should she get lighter punishment and more
sympathy than the obnoxious buffoon who has committed a crime as bad as her's?
The world generally answers that punishment is about what the person deserves to
receive and not what kind of person they are. Punishment is not based on what
qualities they have. If you love the criminal and hate his crime, you cannot say
the kind of person he is is irrelevant. Love means considering him or her as a
lovable and valuable person.
If the godly really think you can judge and punish sin while leaving the sinner
out of it then why do they punish the sinner for committing the sin? Why do they
not scrap the punishment when the sinner is somebody who has done a lot of good?
For example, they will not let a doctor off scot-free or lightly when he commits
murder even though he saved millions of lives. They do not put the good before
the bad then as their so-called unconditional love would require. If you really
should love the sinner but hate the sin the nearest you can get to doing so is
to inflict pain on sinners with a view to making them convert as quickly as
possible. That is the only way to reconcile the command to love the sinners and
hate the sin for it is wanting the hated sin stopped by love. Obviously, nobody
verbally and physically abuses sinners this way so nobody loves sinners and
hates their sins.
The society that boasts that it loves sinners and hates sins proves it is a liar
when it sends people to jail the same regardless of how much good they have
done.
Some say that if a person commits a crime, he is to be punished because he
deserves it. To punish him for the sake of hopefully making him a better person
and a law-abiding one is seen by them as manipulative.
Sinners don’t mind their sins being hated as long as they pretend this does not
mean they as persons are hated. But they certainly do mind anybody hating them
or trying to stop them sinning by force or threat of punishment. The love sinner
not sin philosophy is an incitement to evil and therefore commands us to hate
the sin and the sinner. If the philosophy were to be bluntly stated it would
run: “Love the sinner for you cannot do that anyway and pretend you hate the sin
but while laying the foundation for sin to be encouraged.” To hate the sin of
another is to make them sin worse for they know that by sinning others are
supposed to hurt themselves by hating it so how could it possibly be compatible
with loving them?
Christianity teaches that sin deserves to be punished and hated. To say you love
the sinner and hate their sin is to say that the sin deserves to be punished and
hated but the sinner doesn't which makes no sense. The rule is not practical,
not helpful, and not honest. It is bad enough for unbelievers and atheists to
accept the rule but for god believers to attribute the rule to God and say God
keeps it is extreme blasphemy. It is like saying that it is a sin to drink the
blood of babies and then to allege that God wants it drunk. They say there is no
love of neighbour unless you love God above all things first. They ridicule God
and disguise it as reverence so belief in God makes them hate sinners more not
less.
If sin deserves to be hated then the person committing it deserves to be hated.
It is only people that can deserve things. To say sin deserves to be hated is to
urge people to hate the sinner. Criminal law needs to recognise that
Christianity, Judaism and Islam are inciting to hatred and violence and deal
with them accordingly.
God comes first for the loyal Christian. It follows that if a Christian state
punishes, its prime motive must not be the common good but God. It does it for
God not the nation.
Many in religion say we must tolerate sin but not the sinner. The apostle Paul
does not agree with tolerate the sinner but not the sin. He condemned the man
living in sin with his stepmother as being delivered to Satan and had him
ostracised. Tolerate sinner not sin does not make any sense anyway and is only
cherished by those whom it turns into hypocrites. Indeed Jesus himself said that
anybody who goes to eternal punishment is in the same condition as one who has
never done a good deed in their life. He explained all this in the Gospel of
Matthew. He said they are going to Hell not for hurting others but because when
they hurt others it was him they hurt. This implies that they could have been
seen as good people but because they didn't do good for his sake he condemns
them. Both Jesus and Paul then suggested the sinner must be completely rejected.
Loving the sinner and hating the sin implies that the sinner is a victim of
their sin and so should be subjected to pity not anger or hate or punishment.
They are to be considered mentally ill because alien forces take them over. They
are to be forced to obey the Christian religion for they don't know what they
are doing anyway! See now why you shouldn't let yourself feel cared for when
Christians love you and hate your sins! If they really loved you they would not
be patronising you so nauseatingly and making out you are sick for sinning or
disagreeing with them! You would rather be hated than be subjected to such
putrid sycophantism.
Hating the sinners respects them more than love the sinner and hate the sin. It
has more concern for their rights and personhood.
The Christians don't stop there. They even go as far as saying that you may
punish the sin but never the sinner! That is even worse than judge the sin not
the sinner.
The most outrageous hypocrisy of Christianity is in its doctrine that you must
regard sin as punishable and therefore hate it but you must love the sinner.
"Punish the sin not the sinner." But you cannot punish a sin ever. It is
impossible. What you do when you say you punish a sin is that you punish the
sinner. Can we be hypocritical enough to pretend that the sinner had nothing to
do with the sin? The next step is surely the sinner feeling they can sin all
they want for sin is not a part of them but separate from them.
The failure of love the sinner and hate the sin proves that it is vindictive to
believe in a God of justice who rewards people according to their works be they
good or bad. Punishment is your reward for being bad!
It is wrong for people to take consolation in the belief that wholly evil
murderous people like Hitler who cannot be made to pay for the great evil they
have done for life is too short will pay in the next world thanks to God. That
is saying that Hitler and his like should have died when they did instead of
living on this world where punishment would be more certain at our hands. People
are after the feeling of consolation more than to see them punished. They choose
irrational consolation in preference to rational so they are only out for
themselves. Do they realise how uncaring their attitude is? What if there was no
afterlife to give the victims justice?
Punish sins not sinners does not need analysis for it is so silly. But as
people spout it without thinking and the Church laughs at them it has to be
analysed.
THE WEB
www.shilohcommunitychurch.org/love_sinr.htm
TRUE OR FALSE? GOD LOVES THE SINNER BUT HATES THE SIN, FALSE, Errol Hale
www.ffrf.org/fttoday/back/hatred.html
With Perfect Hatred by Dan Barker
http://www.godhatesfags.com/
A Baptist anti-gay site
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