Do we prevent somebody being hurt by superstition or faith by rejecting and challenging those things? 

Is it mistaken to support organised religion in membership or donations?

If people do good because they are human, not because God prompts them then is it right to risk giving God any credit when they alone own their good?

Patrick H

Why Hate a Sin?




Sin is an act that is considered to be religiously or spiritually immoral.  It is anti-God.


It has two aspects: Impersonal and Personal


On the impersonal level                                               

Sin – against a rule


Repentance – admitting what you have done          


Forgiveness - not applying the punishment rule                    

Faith believing a pile of doctrines                                        


Each point contrasts and opposes these on the personal level

Betraying a relationship


Feeling terrible that you betrayed somebody and hurt them


Making a friendship all over again


Committing yourself to God as you would a person


We see sin involves persons and feelings.  When you grasp that you find it impossible to hold that a person who says they love sinners not sins is being honest.


Do you become anything harmful such as a murderer or child abuser? First and foremost you let yourself be one. Second you take action to be one. Its passive and then active. There is no active without the passive. The passive in a sense is more dangerous than the active for you don’t what you are letting yourself be. Evil can be a chameleon.



Jesus said we must not judge the motives and how responsible the other person is. He does however say we must judge their actions. Is such a teaching useful? For one thing, people can be roused to change for the better if they are confronted with how bad they are in character. Jail does not stop you being bad – only being helped to see you are a bad character does that.  The believer observes that Jesus is not telling us to not want to judge the motives of the other - it is just that we cannot see into the person to do it.  Its about what is practical.  Christians say that evil behaves remarkably like it has a mind of its own which is why Jesus called it a slavemaster and Paul writes about it as if it were a person in Romans 9. 


Evil by definition is that which has to be fought by necessary evil.  Evil is that which cannot be tolerated.  It says to you, "I am a situation that should not be let to happen."  So evil goes with a call to be hated.  So with the evil vanquished good will flood into the vacuum.


What about those who say we must love the sinner and hate the sin? If they keep the rule then they have to clutch at straws in order to work out why the sin is to be condemned as something that ought not to exist. For example, they say it effects other people spiritually for we are one spiritual family so one member in a sense damages all the rest by sinning in some indirect mystical way. Another example is that they say the person not only does mental and personality damage to herself – but spiritual damage to herself. Just as psychologically it is easier to do evil y if you have done evil x so it will happen spiritually too. Another example is that they claim the sin draws the sinner and others by bad example to everlasting damnation and punishment. Another example is that it makes you become a tool of Satan who wants nothing but spiritual, emotional and bodily destruction for everybody. The love the sinner and hate the sin brigade are trying to convince themselves that their hate for the sinner is really love. That is what is going on.  They have to talk themselves into the hate so when they are trying to hate that says a lot about them.  And they succeed.  If hating immorality is a good thing then they are getting new reasons to hate it and that is not good.  If a secularist hates an evil just because it is immoral the religionist has this and additional reasons or excuses to hate.  Doing that is proof that the sinner is the target of hate after all.

Christianity treats a sinner or evil person as a good and trustworthy one just for repenting or declaring repentance. They justify this on the basis that somebody deserves a new chance. But it does not follow that the chance has to be just given. Why can’t the chance be a process rather than just an instant change of status? Another justification is that God starts healing the sinner albeit gradually but enough to make the person trustworthy. This is dangerous and irresponsible rubbish if there is no God or if he does not heal or if repentance is being simulated. If a woman murders her baby for fun it is simply extremism to treat her as if she didn’t because she says she repents and would do it differently if there was a second chance.  It is plainly using repentance as an excuse for virtually dismissing and ignoring what she has done. Plus it is cruel to tell somebody God is helping her when he is not. You have to take responsibility if she goes and kills the next baby or if she could go back in time and do the same thing again.  Repentance is another reason for hating sin for there are problems with it.


Repentance is a lie for its not a mere action or something that is done in a moment.  It a process that starts off weak and has to be worked on and nourished until it gets strong.  Yet the repentant want to be reinstated in society and religion and with God and trusted and treated as if the sin never happened.  They want it too soon and on the basis that its an instant thing and that is suspicious. These problems and how many are uncomfortable with those who claim to repent show that those who proclaim love for sinners have to be deluded or lying.  The benefits of saying you repent even if you do not are such that you are as good as forced to say it in order to avoid provoking hate or the pain of learning that the love sinners and hate sin brigade do in fact hate you.


Christians believe that Jesus showed examples of absolutely detesting sin.  He loved his Old Testament.  His core doctrine was that the Law has no errors in moral or religious matters.  It commands and advises hate of sin. Jesus staked his own doctrine on the Old Testament which means that if he contradicts it then he agrees with us letting it have the final say.


The Bible is clear that the reason we must hate sins is because we must hate sinners. To do one is to do the other.  Sinners are hateful just because they are.  God is not commanding us to hate them so much as telling us we can do nothing else.  Jesus told us to love our enemies but he did not say they were necessarily sinners in being our enemy.  Perhaps we are the problem.


The law of God says God hates.


Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."


The Proverbs given to grant popular and easy guidance to the people say God does not love sinners.


Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers." Proverbs 8:13 - The fear of the Lord is to hate evil; pride and arrogance and the evil way and the perverse mouth I hate.
Proverbs 15:9 - The way of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord, but He loves him who follows righteousness.


The prophet says God hates.


Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."

The psalms themselves used in public and synagogue worship command hate.


Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"

Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."


Psalms 36:1,4 - One reason God condemns evil people is that they do not abhor evil. Not only does God Himself hate evil, he expects us to do the same. If we do not hate evil, then He considers us to be evil.Psalms 97:10 - You who love the Lord, hate evil!


Psalms 119:104 - Through Your precepts I get understanding; therefore I hate every false way.


Psalms 119:127,128 - I love Your commandments more than gold, yes, than fine gold! Therefore all Your precepts concerning all things I consider to be right; I hate every false way.


The hate is not a law written in some dusty old book.  Steps were taken to make sure the hate would be promoted as much as possible especially through public worship.


If Jesus was against hate his voice is drowned in the middle of all that.


And if he was so against it why did he go to worship regularly in the Temple and synagogue?  Why did he train as a Rabbi?

Not surprisingly the New Testament preaches hate too.


Romans 12:9 - Hate evil, love good. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good.


Hebrews 1:9 - Jesus loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God blessed and honored Him.


Revelation 2:6 has Jesus declaring that he hates the deeds of the Nicolaitans so Jesus hates sin.

Jesus nearly died of a stroke when he castigated the hypocrisy of the Jewish leaders.  He told unbelievers that he did not know how he could endure them and their sin of unbelief any longer.  He dreaded the cup of torment that awaited him when he was in the garden preparing for his crucifixion so if he hated that evil imagine how much he hated people doing harm!  On the cross he asked God why he felt so abandoned.  The Christian answer is that he felt what sin is like and how vile it is and how it cuts God out.  The hatred of the cup and the loneliness on the cross is supposed to reflect Bible teaching that Jesus had to in a sense become sin on the cross and he couldn't bear it for he hated sin so much.  If Jesus hated sin so intensely as if he were a sinner when we were not that shows how much we are to hate sin.  The implication is that if we sin we are not only hurting ourselves and another person but we are attacking Jesus in a totally reprehensible way.  Despite drippy religious liars, Jesus did agree with his God who ordered genocide in the Old Testament.  The classic defence is that though that was evil, God was literally forced because the nations that had to be liquidated were so bad and irreformable.  Babies and children died in those genocides. So the implication is that the evil people were to blame for the death of their own innocent babies.  With all that, it is impossible to believe that Christianity really can love anybody!  The love in the Christian comes from herself or herself not the religion.


God is infinite meaning everything about him is, not a number too great for us to imagine, but literally numberless.  Infinite is that which is great without end or limit. Christians use this doctrine to argue that as God is good it means he is unlimitedly good thus evil is his complete opposite.  The distance between God and evil is infinite.  This calls us to be like God and to oppose and hate evil as much as we can.


This tells us that we cannot ever understand how far from God and good evil is.  Any view of evil we have will be watered down.  It may not feel that way but it is.  We cannot care the way God cares.  Our caring for another no matter how deep is idolatrous for it is a mere imitation of how God cares.  Thus if we hate sins it will never be the same as how God hates it.  Our hate for sin masks hate for the sinner.  Even if loving sinners and hating sins is achievable for God, we should be sceptical of humans who claim to do it.  And especially so if it is achievable for God!

Heidelberg Catechism:

Q. 113. What doth the tenth commandment require of us?

A. That even the smallest inclination or thought contrary to any of God’s commandments never rise in our hearts; but that at all times we hate all sin with our

whole heart, and delight in all righteousness.


Why does Christianity tell us to hate sin? Jesus said that we must prefer to have an eye gouged out than to use it to sin. He reaffirmed the moral teaching of the Old Testament. By implication he sanctioned Ezekiel through whom God said that if you don't admonish the sinner you will be held responsible for the punishment he gets.


If you love God with all your heart as Jesus commanded, you will hate sin with all your heart. Sin is what cries out for God's destruction or the destruction of God's perfection. It is contradicting God.


Sin is to be hated for it is useless in itself. It is evil.


Sin is to be hated for its bad results.


Sin is to be hated for it says something about the sinner. If you kill a man for no reason, you turn yourself into a murderer. You cannot say, "Being a murderer is only a small part of me." It is what you are period.


We all agree that we should hate the crime of murder. Religion says it simply tells us to hate more evils than just murder.


Jesus said we must hate sins such as sexual fantasy about a married woman. He said that if you call somebody a fool you should be taken before the council who gives the death penalty. Paul wrote that the reason we die is because Adam got us sentenced to death by divine justice for his sin and ours. This is extreme doctrine. Whoever hates your sin too much hates you and won't admit it. Roman Catholicism is full of mortal sins - sins that are supposedly worse than being murdered for they bring you spiritual death and if you die you will never ever see Heaven but will be punished forever in Hell.


If God exists and he is perfect good, then evil is to be hated for the alternative is to love it or not care.
Good and evil are intermingled. When you help one beggar another suffers a lack.
Suppose a doctor puts his fingers inside the private parts of a child. If it is not for a necessary medical purpose, it will be recognised as child-abuse. It is the intention then that makes the difference between medical and molest. But what about the physical action?
The action would be very bad for it is the intention that is good not the action. 

When you do harm to help a person, you have to numb a part of your nature to do it. Even if you hurt to do good, you are still intending to hurt. You are coming close to being a person who hurts for fun.
The "good" person will be horrified at what they had to do to help the child and the "good" child will be horrified that it needed to be done.
Trying to be good in the way religion wants it done, is a recipe for disaster. It is better to be ordinary and imperfect and not to be obsessed with good. Doing that harms.
The atheist will have a healthy respect for good. The believer cannot for good is not just good for its own sake but for God's.
Sin is an offence against the infinitely good God. It is detrimental to one's relationship with God. It has to be hated for it is the opposite of God. To love God implies you do not love his opposite. To love it is to refuse to love him.
Many people also hate sin on humanistic grounds.
Sin is the person damaging their own power to be virtuous by God's help.
Sin can lead to the person being attracted to and committing more sin.
Sin can be a person hurting others.
Hating sin as sin - that is an insult to God - should really be the ultimate consideration for Christians. If God alone matters then it should be the only concern not just the ultimate concern.


If a person is evil, we will dislike that person and want to see him suffer just for our pleasure. That is hate. Evil means hateful.


The Church says that hate is wrong because it damages the hater. But surely if you hate then you deserve the damage! So the Church argument does nothing to prove that it is wrong! Rather it proves the opposite! Its another case where the Church likes to pretend to be helpful.


Also, to say that hate is wrong because it hurts the hater makes no sense. It follows then that all is wrong is the pain not the hate. It implies hate would be good if it wasn’t so darn unpleasant!


Evil religious hate mongers will take comfort from the thought that the only problem is the pain. They can reason that they like the pain so its nothing to worry about and their conscience is clear.

If you feel warm towards others it allows you to help them and them to experience happiness through knowing you. Is hate a sin for it refuses this opportunity to the hated person? It is really saying that it is better for that person to be bad rather than for him to be hurt.


Criticism is always vindictive. What about constructive criticism ? To criticise the sin is to criticise the sinner so to hate the sin is to hate the sinner.
A sinner commits sin. The Church says we are to love her. To hate her sin is to pretend her sin is separate from her and that she didn’t do it. What kind of nonsensical love is that? Its hypocrisy and if she has hurt another person then it is downright evil to insult that person by trying to condone what she has done. Its worst form is the obviously deluded, “Judge the sin not the sinner.” If you treat the sin as something to be hated and as something impersonal surely then you would deal with it without regard for the person? You wouldn't call the person a sinner but a non-sinner.


The Church judges acts of revenge. When you take revenge it will not say, “You meant well. You intended to do justice. You just did it the wrong way.” It judges. This implies that it agrees with judging any sin. You don't pick out some sin for judgement and not others.


As sin is considered to be evil, the Church cannot allow a person to like it or to respect it to any degree. God is called holy – a word that means that he cannot stand or tolerate sin.


Most Christians say that hate is a sin. Justice says that if somebody hates you, you may - actually the word is should - hate them back. And if we are to hate sins and wish them to suffer for our pleasure then it is surely correct to hate those who hate you? If you dare not do it because of the consequences then it means you agree with it in principle but can't implement it.

The starting point of Christianity is that we are all to hate sin. We are to hate our own sins and the sins we see others commit. But the problem with hate is, "I want to hurt you because I think you are offending and hurting and threatening me". Hate is to imagine that someone or something is the cause of your pain and sense of danger and one must try to get it forcibly stopped with condemnation and punishment. But you make your hate. It is you torturing yourself over somebody else's actions or perceived actions. Hate breeds hate and even if it is the sin you hate you are only seconds away from starting to hate the person who willingly creates the sin.

We tend to be grateful to things when they benefit us. We feel a sense of gratitude towards the car that gets us to hospital. We kick and curse the car and swear at it when it breaks down. We treat events and things as if they consciously bless us and curse us. If you really hate a sin, you are personifying it and you are as good as hating a person. That hate will be just as poisonous as hating a person and make you bitter and dangerous.  You may as well hate person. It is more dangerous to hate a person and blind yourself to this by telling yourself that it is the sin you hate than it is to openly hate the person. At least when you identify the evil and the hate and who it is directed at you have the opportunity to maybe do something about it.
Hate is the urge to hurt another person just because you want to see them hurt. Most who discourage hate argue that it is to be avoided for it gets too easily out of control and your perception gets distorted more and more all the time as it becomes a habit. Your view of others becomes polluted and bitter. Most people see hate as a Pandora's Box and this is their main reason to oppose hate. Such a view suggests that hate is not bad in itself as long as it can be kept within boundaries. This makes you suspicious of those Christians who claim to believe in hating the sin and loving the sinner - they are trying to smugly hide their hate and are examples of passive aggressive hate. And there are people who seem - who seem! a seem does not amount to an are! - capable of restraining hate. Incredibly, religion claims to be good while it makes the desire to hurt sin or hurt people far more fierce.
The Church cannot be trusted as a force for non-violence and peace when it lies about having reasons for condemning hate towards people though not sins. None of the reasons are convincing.


BISHOP FULTON J. SHEEN - Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it.

Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it.

It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin.

The cry for tolerance never induces it to quench its hatred of the evil philosophies that have entered into contest with the Truth.

It forgives the sinner, and it hates the sin; it is unmerciful to the error in his mind.

The sinner it will always take back into the bosom of the Mystical Body; but his lie will never be taken into the treasury of His Wisdom.

Real love involves real hatred: whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the buyers and sellers from the temples
has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth.

Charity, then, is not a mild philosophy of "live and let live"; it is not a species of sloppy sentiment.

Charity is the infusion of the Spirit of God, which makes us love the beautiful and hate the morally ugly.