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Patrick H
Gormley


Why do the gospel stories of the risen Jesus show signs of being inspired by this book of black magic, The Sepher Ha-Razim?

This occult work claims to date from long before Jesus and to go back to the time of Noah. The work however dates from the third century and was very prevalent in its day. Fragments were very common. The book naturally consists of many old traditions. It may explain what the women friends of Jesus were doing at the tomb when there was no need and no tradition for doing so.

Sepher Ha-Razim means Book of Secrets.

It looks like that the gospels are describing not so much a resurrection as a necromantic rite in which Jesus was called up.

STAR OF BETHLEHEM, THE STAR THAT MATTHEW'S GOSPEL ALONE SAYS APPEARED WHEN JESUS WAS BORN. ALSO THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD FROM THE BOOK OF REVELATION MATCH AND VISIONS OF GOD ON THE THRONE

The seventh firmament, all of it is sevenfold light, and from its light all the (seven) heavens shine. Within it is the throne of glory, set on the four glorious Hayot, lso within it are the storehouses of lives, and the storehouses of souls. There is no calculation or limit to the great light within it, and the fullness of the light illumines all the earth. The angels are fixed in pillars of light, and their light is as the light of the brilliant star and cannot be extinguished, for their eyes are like flashes of lightning, and they stand upon the margins of (the divine) light, and glorify in fear the One who sits upon the throne of glory. For He alone sits in the heaven of His holiness, seeking out judgment, evening the scales of justice; judging in truth and speaking in righteousness. And before Him the books of fire are open.

YOU WOULD WONDER IF THIS ENCOURAGED BELIEF IN JESUS RISING WITHOUT ANYBODY SEEING HIM RISE. ALL THEY SAW WAS SOMEBODY WHO THEY TOOK TO BE JESUS AND WHO SAID HE WAS. REMEMBER MATTHEW'S GOSPEL CLAIMS JESUS TOMB WAS GUARDED IN CASE SOME DISCIPLES WOULD STEAL THE BODY TO FAKE A RESURRECTION. WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A DESCRIPTION THAT MATCHES WHAT CHRISTIANS THINK THE RESURRECTED BODY IS LIKE.

His soldiers stand before Him, But they do not gaze upon His likeness. For He is hidden from every eye. And none can see Him and live. His appearance is hidden from all. But no appearance is hidden from Him. He uncovers deep things from the darkness, And He knows the secrets of obscurity. For light dwells with Him, And He puts on light as a garment. He sits on light as a throne. And light is a wall around Him.

ENTRANCE OF JESUS INTO JERUSALEM?

Troops upon troops stand one above another before Him, And immerse themselves in rivers of purity. And wrap themselves in garments of white fire. And sing with humility in a strong voice: "Holy Holy Holy is the Lord of Hosts, The whole world is full of His glory, He is prior to all creatures; He was when earth and heaven were not yet. He is alone; There is no stranger with Him. By His strength He upholds the heaven(s). And in all the heavens He is feared, And by all the angels He is revered. For by the breath of His mouth they were formed And to glorify His power they were established. He (acts) alone and who can turn Him back? And if He commands none can annul. For He is the King of Kings of Kings, Ruling over all of the kings of the earth. And exalted among the angels of heaven. He searches hearts before they are formed. And He knows thoughts before they occur. Blessed be His name And blessed the greatness of His glory.

WOMEN WENT INEXPLICABLY TO PUT SPICES AND OILS ON JESUS' BODY WHEN THERE WAS NO NEED AS HE WAS A CRIMINAL AND THIS HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE ANYWAY. CALLING JESUS BACK FROM THE DEAD? IS THAT REALLY WHAT THE WOMEN WERE DOING AT THE TOMB WITH OILS ETC? THE TOMB WAS AS GOOD AS IN THE PLACE WHERE JESUS DIED. THE RITE ADVISES GOING TO THE PLACE OF TRAGEDY TO RECALL THE PERSON.

If you wish to question a ghost; stand facing a tomb and repeat the names of the angels of the fifth encampment (while holding) in your hand a new flask (containing) oil and honey mixed together and say thus: I adjure you spirit of the ram bearer who dwell among the graves upon the bones of the dead, that you will accept from my hand this offering and do my will and bring me (the spirit of) N son of N who is dead. Raise him up so that he will speak to me without fear and tell me true things without concealment, Let me not be afraid of him and let him tell me (for) my question, (the answer) I need from him. He should appear immediately. But if he does not, repeat the adjuration a second time (and) up to three times. When he appears set the flask before him and after this speak your words while holding a twig of myrtle in your hand. If you wish to release him, strike him three times with the myrtle and pour out the oil and honey, and break the cup, and throw the myrtle from your hand, and return home by a different route.

If you wish to speak with the spirits, go out to "the place of the killed whimpering way: and call out there in a singsong. I adjure you in the name of the angels who serve in the fifth encampment, and in the name of the overseer who is over them, who is 'SYMWR, that you will hear me at this time and send me the spirit of EGRGYRWT. She shall go according to my will for whatever I send her and shall obey me in everything until such and such a time.

If you see opposite you a column of smoke, speak your words and send (her) for whatever purpose you wish. ANGELS ARE NAMED - These are the angels of might who gird on power and strength to run from place to place and to fly in all corners Possibly the place of public executions or the place where executed criminals were buried, or a place where multiple murders had been committed.

JESUS DIES AND IS SEEN THREE DAYS LATER.  THE GOSPELS DO SAY HE ROSE ON THE THIRD DAY BUT MAKE NO ATTEMPT TO SHOW THAT IS TRUE.  THEY WORRY ABOUT SHOWING VISIONS WERE SEEN OF HIM.  AND WE HAVE THE IMPORTANCE OF SUNDAY! HOW TO HAVE VISIONS OF GLORIOUS RISEN JESUS TYPE MEN!  EVEN MYRRH - THE SPICE BROUGHT TO JESUS' TOMB ON SUNDAY GETS A MENTION!

These are the names of the angels in charge of dreaming, to make anyone who approaches them in purity know what the dream (was) and what its interpretation is. If the king, or the head of the city, or governor, or your friend summons you and you want to give him an answer from your wisdom, say to him, "I will make known to you what is in your heart concerning me." (or "what you thought about me," or "what you want to do," or "what is the interpretation of your dream.")

"Give me a period of three days and I will make known to you all that is in your heart." Then go out on Sunday to the sea shore or to a river bank during the third hour of the night. Wear a new cloak and do not eat (the meat of) any animal, nor anything which yields blood (when slaughtered), and do not drink wine. Take myrrh and pure frankincense and place them on burning coals in a new earthen vessel, and turn your face toward the water and repeat three times the name of the overseer with the name(s) of the angels of the encampment.

When you see a pillar of fire between heaven and earth say thus: I adjure you by the One who measured the waters in the palm of His hand and rebuked the waters so that they fled from Him and made winds flying in the air his personal servants as a fiery flame who rebuked the sea and dried it up and made rivers a desert by His name and by its letters I adjure you and by the names of the angels of the seventh encampment who serve BW'L, that you make known to me what is in the heart of N son of N and what is his desire, and what is the interpretation of his dream and what is his thought.

Do likewise on the second and third nights and you will see that a pillar of fire will appear to you with a cloud on it like the image of a man. Question him and he will tell you whatever you ask. And if you wish to release him throw some of the water, from the sea or the river by which you are standing, toward heaven three times and say under your breath Invisible Lord BW'Ly sufficient to our need, the perfect shield bearer I free you, I free you, subside and return to your (heavenly) course. Say this seven times. Perform the entire rite in purity and you will succeed.

QUESTION
Why is there enough in these occult writings to suggest the story of Jesus rising from the dead? Angels, tombs, guards, three days, place of execution, spices, oils and visions - they are all there. The gospels do not claim to be telling us all so do we have a sanitised story which was originally an occult tale?