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Jesus practiced Satanism

We know today that the gospels are unreliable. There are four of them and they claim to tell us about Jesus Christ the saviour of the world . Incredibly the gospels imply that he was a Satanist or in league with the Devil! Let us examine this frightful suggestion. Let us see if Jesus was in league with the Devil and a Satanist if he lived.

Jesus said that there is no one worse than the Devil and then said that being given the Devil’s own name was not the worst insult (Matthew 10:25). Here he was certainly praising the Devil and trying to put him in a better light than to that which he belonged. He was saying that he liked the supreme evil person a lot better than he should. He was honouring the Devil here and displaying his allegiance to him instead of God. To honour the Devil is to make a pact with him. It is selling your soul. Jesus may not have signed a contract with his blood but he was making a deal with the Devil. Jesus was capable of flattery and we see him employing it here.

Jesus once did a miracle of multiplying loaves and fishes for thousands of people and they enthusiastically followed him afterwards but he told them firmly that they were only after him because they got a feed (John 6:14). His sign failed to touch them and the passage gives no hint that only some of the crowd were meant so it could mean all. God would not do miracles that make others more selfish and even the Church says one of the tests of a divine miracle is the great spiritual good that comes out of it. By Old Testament standards, the miracle could only be the product of evil sorcery. Jesus tried to imitate characters like Elijah and Elisha who did secret miracles and which followed the rites of pagan sorcerers. For example, Elisha lay on top of a dead boy and put his hands on his hands and his feet on his feet and his mouth on his mouth to revive him which is indicatory of pagan magical techniques (page 115, Miracles in Dispute). Jesus’ doctrine of a heavenly bliss that nobody normal could refuse when offered destroys any chance of his religion being really unselfish. If Jesus had offered a Heaven where discipline continues and which is not necessarily so pleasant it would have made more sense and ensured more altruism which was the cornerstone of his ethical system. The entire system was one of fabrication and disguise so he followed the Devil he condemned.
Jesus said that his arrest in the Garden of Gethsemane before his crucifixion was the triumph of the powers of darkness. It was not as if he had to suffer and die to save all. It was a false victory. He did not see it as the demons destroying his good self for he expected to come back from the dead. He saw his death as the weapon which he would use to create an empire of evil as his offering to his infernal master. And it worked! The death of Jesus has led to evil so great that it is incomprehensible!

John says that Satan put it into the heart of Judas to betray Jesus. Satan would have suspected that Jesus was God’s Son if he couldn’t get him to sin and would have plotted to get Jesus killed some quieter way thus reducing the likelihood that Jesus could get converts out of it or by rising from the dead. If Satan was a willing cause of Jesus’ death then Jesus was his servant. Jesus told Judas to go ahead and do the job, to go and obey Satan. Jesus wanted to die for Satan. Loyal wasn’t he?

Mary Magdalene was afflicted by seven demons and allegedly cured. Yet she started the rumpus about Jesus’ resurrection. But what if she only acted as if she were cured? Nobody could tell if she was. What if she was guided by evil spirits to make the others think they saw Jesus? Powerful personalities can make people assume that their imagination is the reality. And one with psychic powers would be omnipotent and know what buttons to press so demons might have given her a few. What if her strength was increased by her madness – it happens – and she duped the soldiers (assuming the unlikely claim that there were soldiers is true) and got Jesus out of the tomb and dumped him and did not recall doing so? A woman like that testifying to history’s most famous miracle is too suspect. It creates suspicion that the demons started the whole thing off. It would be a sin to venerate events that may be demonic. It would be different if Magdalene had not had a history of possession. We have to believe that demons created the resurrection hoax. There is no evidence given for her freedom from demons. The Gospeller just states that she was cured but that could just are hearsay or an opinion or a guess. He gave no corroboration – he doesn’t say he knows firsthand so he does not.
Carl Kraeling studied the Gospel of Mark and gave us a new interpretation of the text where Herod says that Jesus is John the Baptist having been raised from the dead which is why he has the power to do miracles. The key expression in the text is because of this the powers are at work dia touto ener gousin ai dunameij. Kraeling says Herod would seem to think that John who was dead is now Jesus. Kraeling denies Herod thinks it for Jesus and John reportedly ministered at the same time and John did no miracles so he did not imagine that John and Jesus were the same person. Kraeling says that as raising the dead could mean necromancy that John's ghost was in Jesus doing the miracles. Popular belief did and still does imagine that people get strange powers when they die and become ghosts. Jesus then was accused of evilly using John's spirit to do miracles with it. The Bible is clear that necromancy is a grave sin and involves dealing with evil spirits. Mark states that Jesus has authority over the evil spirits unlike the scribes. So Jesus is the one putting demons into people to take them out again. Mark means that Jesus jus gave an order and the demon went out. Catholic exorcisms are not true exorcisms for nobody commands a demon to go with immediate results. It looks suspiciously like a placebo and psychological conditioning. There is no evidence that Jesus' name can eject demons today which would be unsurprising if he were not truly from God.
Jewish tradition is unanimous regarding Jesus being a worshipper of evil spirits and a black magician. The Jews would have been shrewd enough to realise that since Jesus’ miracles caused belief in him that it would have been better to dismiss them as conjuring tricks. But they chose not to because there was too much evidence against it. They KNEW that Jesus a Satanist. The miracles may have been naturally explicable so the fact that they may have been miracles like rain coming when you pray for it makes no difference to the argument.
Jesus was supposedly an exorcist. He claimed that exorcisms have an apologetic significance. He alleged that exorcisms cannot be done by the Devil for Satan cannot put Satan out so they must be attributable only to God (Mark 3). This was a lie as we will soon see.
In Acts 16 a slave girl is possessed by a pythonic spirit (v 16). It helps her with clairvoyance and to predict the future. This refers to the python or snake that was thought by the superstitious to guard the Oracle at Delphi. The serpent was supposedly killed by the god Apollo. Presumably its ghost was possessing the girl! Her gift was very lucrative to her associates. Paul and Silas and others were preaching about Jesus. She went about annoying them for days telling people that they were the servants of the Most High God who would lead them to salvation. Paul finally had enough and told the demon to leave her. It did. The source of income was gone! Paul and Silas were thrown in jail to punish them. It is surmised that the reason demons advertised these men and their message was because they thought they were superior to God. That is nonsense and a rationalisation. We read that the demons were scared of God. It was all a demonic scam to get converts for a demonic saviour. The fact that Paul let her demon preach for him for days before doing an "exorcism" proves that. A demon would certainly be happy to leave if it were helping to get converts for a false Messiah.
In Acts 19, Jewish magicians try using the name of Jesus to cure a possessed man. The demon tells them they have no right to use the name of Jesus and that he knows Jesus. He then attacks the magicians who were lucky to get away with their lives. Again this is blatant advertising for Jesus. The demon would not tell them how to exorcise him or tell them Jesus was the saviour unless Jesus was a son of the devil pretending to be a saint. It is like a Republican candidate for the US Presidency recommending his Democrat rival.

Jesus said according to the gospel of Luke chapter 10 that his seventy two disciples are to say, “Peace to this house”, when they enter a house and if there is a man of peace there it will rest on him and if there isn’t it will come back to them. This is not prayer he is advocating here. If you say a prayer for somebody it is left up to God to administer it and God does not promise peace to everybody. The saints welcomed horrific depressions as sent from God to them. So the idea of you sending peace to somebody and it coming back to you if you reject it is clearly magical.

A prayer does not go and give peace to anybody and it does not come back to the praying person like it was some kind of energy. Prayer is asking God to help if he wishes and you cannot make God give peace. But magic is sending power out which may return to the sender. In occult tradition, the bottle spell was one method used to send bad energy back to the person attacking somebody magically.

The scriptures Jesus followed condemned magic as evil and sinful and so heinous that persecuting and killing magicians on the orders of God was better than letting them live. Clearly then Jesus’ occultism showed he was in cahoots with Satan for he believed in Satan as a real being with magical powers. The seventy two came back to Jesus boasting that the devils come out of people when they use Jesus’ name but he said to them that he seen Satan falling from Heaven and that he gave them power to trample on scorpions and serpents and prevent them from coming to any harm. Then he told them that they must not rejoice that they can cast out demons but rather that their names are written in Heaven. The mere fact that Jesus let this crew go and treat mentally ill people and depressed people as possessed is proof enough that he was in league with the Devil and that Satan would have been well pleased with these dangerous exorcisms. Even the Church today doesn’t approve of such activity and yet refuses to comment on what Jesus did! To suggest that people should be happy about having their names written in some unseen heaven and nothing else and not even in the power to save people from demons takes ones breath away in its arrogance and how it requires people to put faith before people. Even if the faith requires helping people its only done for the faith requires it and not for the sake of the people.


Jesus cast out a demon and the Jews said that the Devil was casting out demons through him. Jesus said that this was wrong and that to attribute the works of the Holy Spirit to the Devil was an unforgivable sin.

Jesus said that the Devil’s reign is over if he casts out his own demons. There are four lies in this simple response. One, that the Devil cannot have a kingdom unless he has people to control like zombies or whatever. This is obvious nonsense and Jesus is plainly indicating that the devils have to possess nearly everybody for he says how powerful Satan is so nearly everybody needs exorcism. Two, the disappearance of the symptoms of possession do not mean that the demon is really gone as every exorcist, Jesus included would have known. A demon would rather skip the dramatics and quietly work for the ruin of its victims and other people. Three, perhaps the demons are just sent to somebody else. Jesus believed they could be for he sent demons out of Legion into pigs. Four, the demons are cast out by Satan for a mysterious purpose and Satan always tries to look good – for even sin has to be made look good before we will have a chance of doing it.

The Jews would have been going around saying that Jesus was colluding with the Devil long before and Jesus would have heard of it. Upon finding out, he would have thought about what to say to silence them. His answer would have been studied and ready for they were educated men and had to be silenced.

His wilfully absurd argument shows that he was not seriously opposed to the evil spirits for it is evil to give lying arguments. Jesus was calling the Jews bad or stupid or both when he knew that they were not so he had lips that hungered to smear the innocent. He accused them of the supreme sin which was the supreme slander.

Jesus obviously did not mind if the Devil was helping him though he said he came to ruin everything the Devil wanted to do. He was willing to help the Devil by attempting miracles. He who is not against Satan is for him just like Jesus said anybody who was not against him was for him. Jesus was trying to get the works of the Devil attributed to the Holy Spirit and that is none other than the sin he accused the Jews of.

Jesus was speaking as a prophet when he denounced the Jews for what they said for only a prophet could say if the Spirit was working through him. But he was a false prophet and Deuteronomy 18 says that one slip is enough to prove a man a false prophet for God knows what he is doing. The gospels say that Jesus' resurrection was his great credential and vindication. If so then prior to it, he had no right attacking anyone for being sceptical of him.


Jesus fasts in the desert and Satan tells him to turn stones into bread if he is hungry.  Jesus refuses saying that the word of God is his real "food".

Satan tells him to go to the Temple and jump off for he will not die and angels will save him.  This seems to be about doing a miracle to attract followers.  Jesus refuses.

Satan promises Jesus all the kingdoms of the world if he will worship Satan.  Again he refuses.

Satan then wants Jesus fed, wants him to have followers and do a resurrection in front of all the people and to be king of the world for worshipping him. 

Satan was very kind to Jesus!  And as for two temptations, Jesus did give in but not exactly in the way Satan said.  He got killed to rise and become king of the world in a sense.   He got his wish.

Paul says that Jesus was the resurrected Son of God because he had visions of him. His evidence for Jesus’ holiness is no good for he thinks Jesus is holy for he has appeared to him as the Son of God. The real world’s evidence comes first even if miracles do happen and are real because you cannot authenticate miracles unless you accept concrete ordinary evidence. So Paul needed affidavits and records of Jesus to have the right to declare him sinless. He couldn’t for his Jesus was just a dream.

Then there is the four gospels and Acts. Do these prove that Jesus was a holy man?

The gospels make it clear that many of the Jews and all the leadership were hostile to Jesus and considered him to be a heretic and an evil man. Mother Teresa would have been a person with no credible critics if she had kept her vicious mouth shut and not said things like poverty being a gift from God and contraception was wrong even when it saves lives. But even with that it is taboo to condemn her and few dare to. Jesus could have looked after the poor better so that the critics would have been few but he did not. He just had loads of enemies which in his case proves he deserved them.

The Baraita and the Talmud’s speak of Jesus Christ. They were created by Jewish rabbis some centuries after Jesus though they contain many traditions that hail from the time of Jesus.

Some say there is no proof that they meant Jesus. Others say that when they usually tended not to mention his name it is clear they were on about someone who the readers would have known. If so they were convinced that to mention his name much would be a terrible thing for he was such an evil man which indicates that they were sincerely opposed to him in a well meaning sense and it was not spite. But why wouldn’t they mention his name? After all they named people as bad. Weren’t they afraid in case the Christians would fabricate evidence that they meant Jesus when somebody else was meant? It looks as if they did not want to say what they said about Jesus but felt that they had to because they thought it was the truth.
The Baraita says, “On the Eve of Passover, Yeshu of Nazareth was hanged. And a herald went about ahead of him for forty days shouting: “Yeshu of Nazareth has tricked Israel and performed evil magic. He shall be stoned. Those who can defend him against these charges must come and plead for him and clear him.” But there was nothing to indicate that he was guiltless so they strung him up on the day before the Passover”. The Jews did not practice crucifixion feeling that it was a Gentile form of execution. When this man was hanged it must mean that he was put up on a pole for the people to fire stones at him. This is more believable than the gospel version which has a Jesus who gets up the noses of the ruthless establishment and wreaks havoc unfettered and who then bizarrely ends up crucified.

Also, this Yeshu is not said to have lived in the time Jesus did. Nazareth did not exist in the thirties so it must have been long after. The Jews might have believed that this man was the basis of Jesus Christ whereas Jesus might have been totally made up.
The Jewish Law as given by God specified a penalty of stoning to death for the following offences only. Consorting with familiar spirits (not necessarily evil spirits just spirits) Leviticus 20:27. Cursing or blasphemy Leviticus 24:10 23. False prophets who encourage idolatry Deuteronomy 13:5 10. Adult son who is incorrigibly out of control Deuteronomy 18:18 21. Adultery Deuteronomy 22:21 24. Rape Leviticus 20:10. In John 8 the Jews pick up stones to kill Jesus because they say he blasphemed. In John 10:33 they do the same thing because they say Jesus is making himself out to be God. But Jesus never claimed to be God. If he did the Jews would not have accused him of blasphemy but of being a false prophet who was trying to seduce people into idolatry. That required stoning read Deuteronomy 13:5 10. It is most likely that if there is some truth in the reports that Jesus was nearly stoned it is because he was into familiar spirits.

Justin Martyr who was killed in the 160s inferred that he knew that the Jews called Jesus a sorcerer.

The Baraita informs us that Jesus had five disciples, Mattai, Naqui, Netsar, Buni and Todah. It calls Jesus the son of Pandera. Pandera was the man they thought was Jesus’ father. It says that Jesus taught that he had not come to take laws from the Law of Moses or to make new laws to put in it.

It is likely that the apostles of Jesus were impostors and that these men were the real disciples. And that Jesus had a human father.

The gospels say that Jesus was the model of goodness but often let the real truth out.

But even if they coherently stated that he was good and nothing else the fact would remain that the evidence for his wickedness would be stronger.

We read in the Gospels and Acts that the people who knew Jesus best, his neighbours and family and the educated, did not believe that he was telling the truth when he preached. He complained that the generation he was a part of was an unbelieving one. The Church says that when he died even his apostles turned against him. False prophets who preached religion just as demanding as Jesus’ have done tremendously better. Joseph Smith had built the Mormon Church up to 30,000 members by the time he died despite his wickedness, his changing of doctrine and his failed prophecies. He did it in just fourteen years. These people suffered terribly for their religion. Jesus must have been worse at religion mongering. When we have just four writers possibly saying that Jesus was sinless and a multitude denying it is obvious who we should believe. We should believe the majority.

John the Baptist who Jesus said was the most important man ever born of woman must have been so if he was the forerunner of the Son of God. But John did not acknowledge Christ despite being in jail knowing he could be killed any time. Jesus himself then said that John was the most important witness in relation to him. Whatever John testified about Jesus had supreme standing on account of who John was. John did not believe in Jesus so he testified that Jesus was a fraud.
Is it any wonder the Jews said Jesus was a satanic magician when apparitions of him after his death told deliberate lies? He appeared to people to tell them his crucifixion and death and resurrection were related before they happened in the Law and the Prophets and the Writings. Not a single New Testament text mentions anything about the Messiah dying and rising again like Jesus supposedly did.

Jesus Christ, if he had paranormal powers and if there is a Devil obtained them from him. He pretended to abhor Satan. There is evidence in the gospels that if Jesus existed he was a Satanist.

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