Do we prevent somebody being hurt by superstition or faith by rejecting and challenging those things? 

Is it mistaken to support organised religion in membership or donations?

If people do good because they are human, not because God prompts them then is it right to risk giving God any credit when they alone own their good?

Patrick H


Religion can be theoterrorism or enable it.  It often is theoterrorism.  Some forms such as Christianity or Islam definitely are!  A terrorist organisation that is lazy with terrorism is still terrorist and most Christians and Muslims are lazy.


Religion sees itself as and functions as a nest in which the egg of community, the egg of politics, the egg of religious education, the egg of culture are to be found in.  Thus as the eggs are always never fully good religion has no right to be taken for something that is totally about peace and love.   It is quite true that as bad as religion is, it is bad because it is getting away with it for society and politicians do not show their disgust at many of the teachings but are sure to have a problem with teachings that challenge their selfish selves.


Just as society and politics would condone murders of the past so does religion.  It is alarming that these three entities can celebrate death and murder and not even bat an eyelid.  Take Ireland.  There is no problem celebrating and applauding the example of those who drove the 1916 rising.  At Easter Vigil, the Catholics praise a reading that says God killed the Egyptians.  Calling that reading the word of God is praise.  But they do more than that.  They sing the praises. The story is that Moses leads Israel through a miraculous dry path through the sea.  Instead of closing the sea behind them and keeping the soldiers out God lets Israel get over and the soldiers are half-way across when the water crashes in on them as a result of God empowering Moses to raise his hand and magically signal the water to drown them and then a psalm praising this miraculous mass murder is sung.  That is retrospective religious genocide and retrospective sectarianism.  Young men and who were compelled into the army by law or circumstance and who did not want to kill anybody were brutally drowned.  To add insult to injury, Catholics then receive the body of Jesus who claimed to be this murdering God.  Obviously they think they are too special to get such treatment from this God who is unworthy of worship.  They don't care that he killed people as long as it is not them.  It is a worry that believers in a really sweet God struggle to get and keep followers while a darker God attracts people better even if they pretend they do not notice or believe in a dark side.  Catholics pretend except maybe at the Easter Vigil!  Every religion's scriptures speak approvingly of murder when commanded by God or a god.  If the members are nevertheless told to be good then they are doing it because they are told and that is a weak reason.  Real goodness rejects authorities that ever condoned or commanded murder and does good not because you are told to but because it is good.


Society and politics have a bad side in reality and a potentially bad one as well.  Nobody denies that.  But religion is no better.  It is so like them and so inspired by them and they refuse to challenge or be upset by religion condoning such evil as we have read about as long as it was done ages ago that it is clear that society, politics and religion are made from the same bad fabric.  It is an insult to a God if there is one to call it divine.


Religion complains a lot about how everybody is always in danger and everybody gets a bad deal.  That inspires those who wish to hurt others for they reason: "They have to suffer and die anyway so why should we not ensure it is for our benefit or that of our religion?" It is one reason among many why religion is so fond of attacking even some of its own never mind other religions.  Even the thought, "Even if some are okay they are still at risk.  We can hurt them for they are in danger anyway."  It must be admitted that atheism too might hurt people using similar logic.  But at least it shows religion cannot take the moral high ground.


Hate is natural. Hate serves a purpose in extreme circumstances when you need to eradicate an enemy to save yourself or your family. In combat, you are going to lash out instead of trying to mindfully do the “moral” thing. If you pause to care about moral you will be slaughtered. Those who say they hate nobody are either not aware that they do or they are lying. If you see hate as natural rather than as a moral outrage you will be willing to listen to the enemy better and you will be less willing to demonise the enemy. And many people feel they need to hate somebody in order to love their family and friends better. Many feel that hate and love need to go together in this way.


Despite the fact that Hitler preached an ideology that led to action, some say that religions and ideologies in themselves come from actions that have already happened and are not down to word.  They would have you think that when Pope Innocent III wanted heretics killed people did it not because he told them to though he did but because they were already killing other heretics.  But then why did they kill any heretics at all in the first place?  Because their religion and their Bible and their political co-religionists and priests preached that the killings must be done.  Word starts action off.  Word and preaching direct action.


Neither religions nor ideologies proceed from word to action. Most often the words are chosen to justify decisions already taken, and to lead up to conclusions already reached. Theology is the process by which these ideas take root in the life of the world, so it is immensely powerful and important, but it cannot work in isolati

Religion claims you must forgive and love the sinner but hate the sin.
It calls itself good because of that teaching. But it is aware that some people have to feel a murderous hatred for the evil person before they can start moving on. That takes the sheen off. That shows the hypocrisy.

It is odd that liberals hate being reminded that Islam is more supportive of violence than Christianity. Or that Jainism is less supportive of violence than Christianity. It is a fault if you mention that out of religious wars, Islam has waged the most. The fact remains that religion as in devotion to God tends to violence. Even if it leads only some members not all to violence it is still to blame. The not all bad excuse is just an excuse and an indignity heaped on the victims.
Religion encourages you to think that if you do certain things or believe certain things, God will keep you alive after death and reward you. If a person’s strongest drive is to stay alive, then we see why believers in God have a disproportionally big number of violent criminals and religious people on the crazy train who are not deterred by the death penalty!
Religious terrorists are dismissed when they say they really believe the evil they do is God’s will and part of his plan to bring about a greater good. Liberals ignore what they say and put it down to politics or the dysfunctional society they emerged from. This refuses to take account of the fact that Islam, plus the religion of the Old Testament God, and Catholicism for most of its history, had no demarcation between religion and politics. Today though Catholicism and the state are declared separate they are often not really as separate as they are said to be.   Religious people engage in political lobbying. They want to force the will of their religion on you through political means. The liberals are assuming that religion is not about anything other than belief in belief - a psychological boost from faith. They treat religion as if it does not impact on the world and state things as fact. Each religion does make fact claims. Once something that could be a guess is dressed up as a fact anything could happen. The detachment from reality that is necessary for violence to be endorsed has started.
Anything that logically justifies trouble should be abandoned by the people no matter if it pretends it is pro-peace or not. You can’t build peace on foundations of sand.

Christians and Muslims and conservative Jews have the strongest tendency to persecute people who disagree with them. These religions have commands from God in their scriptures that tell them to cause religious wars and destroy those God does not like. The Catholic Church has made many official statements calling for the killing and destruction of heretics just because of their beliefs.

Some say that it is not religion or faith that causes trouble in the world but people being sure they are right. But this is foolery because we all think we are right and do not hurt others over it. There is nothing wrong with thinking you are right. That is what opinion, which is the same thing as belief, and thinking and reasoning are all about.  Religion says that once you think it is right you should never deliberately change your mind. If people thinking they are right causes wars then religion is the top offender!

The Church accepts weak faith just like Jesus did. Since God and his truth supersedes all things in importance it follows that to accept this faith is akin to believing a man should kill a heretic on flimsy evidence. If a fanatic kills for the faith, the Church certainly has no right to put all the blame on him. This is because the Church blesses fanaticism. It is crafty enough to make sure that it does not look very obvious.

There is no evidence that the New Testament abolished the legal laws of the Old Testament which commanded the brutal slaying of heretics and homosexuals and adulterers. Not a single civil law in Moses’ regime was forbidden and Jesus himself praised the Jews for trying to keep these civil laws though Rome was ruling the land meaning that the excuse that the civil laws only apply in a theocracy does not hold any water holy or unholy. Jesus said that he did not come to do away with the Law and the Prophets but to see that they would be fulfilled better. The Laws of God in the Bible and the Koran don’t make much sense. For example, putting criminals to death is commanded. This tells us that all Law comes from God and is to be obeyed whatever we feel about it meaning that the Law of the land should be theocratic for what we think is right and wrong is no good and we need God to tell us what’s what.

Whatever disputes there might be about what should or shouldn’t be done the dispute is not about values but how to apply the values. Thus, the Old Testament God approved of hatred and exercised it meaning there was no way he could do away with this approval for his approval made hatred a value. Not surprisingly, Jesus’ authorised apostle Paul teaches a God of hate in Romans.

God says he is king and it is our duty to obey him and believe in him. You cannot obey a king you don’t believe in. He says he must be obeyed because he says so and not because he is good. If he is to be obeyed because he is good then it follows you have the right to make sure he is good and judge him first but he says you don’t have that right. He also says you should believe in his love in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. If you can judge God you don’t need to believe in obeying him for good would be independent of him meaning he has to measure up to its standards like the rest of us. If you can’t judge God you cannot question his ways or his motives and therefore you have no right to think anything other than what he orders you to think.  The idea of duty implies that religion wants unbelievers to suffer for their unbelief. Duty means something you must suffer for if you don’t carry it out.

All people have a right to their opinion but nobody gives them the right to express evil opinions eg that coloured people should be exterminated. Religion exaggerates the number of things that are evil opinions. For example it makes out that it is an evil opinion that Jesus is not or cannot be known to be the only way to God or that homosexuality is often morally good or at least neutral.

Correctly understood humanism holds that the person is the most valuable thing. It is nonsense to say a person should be happy if life is not more important than the quality of life. Religion cannot say that though it often sings the same tune as those who advocate this philosophy these days. God made death and commanded us to consent to the death that he has appointed for us and the Jewish, Christian and Islamic scriptures all command legalised murder. God undermines our respect for life and if that is right then why not kill heretics for him?

Islam and Christianity say that God comes first. If God comes first then the faith or religion must matter far more. If they matter then freedom of speech must be denied to heretics and other religions when a religion gets control of a state.

Many things are forced on us – school is for shoving facts down your neck - so it seems that religion can take over the state and force dissenters to listen to its gospel until they convert or die. Each religion has to work towards that which shows how divisive religion is.

Sins are mistakes. When you do wrong it is because you mistook it for good. It was the good in it you were after. Religion then must have the right to force us not to make those mistakes. Humanists do not believe in sins so we don’t have to be like that. Also religion sees nearly everything we do as a sin in some sense therefore since we are so godless it follows that unless the Law stands by God to the fullest of its power it will not be a force for good because whatever the Law legalises is seen as moral and religion says that not to forbid something and decree a punishment for it is to encourage it. Religion and democracy cannot mix. Jesus said that nearly everybody was possessed by evil spirits so that infers that we should fear everybody else and like nobody and certainly not have any respect for democracy.  Jesus said that if Satan casts out Satan from people then he cannot have a kingdom and spoke of Satan being the ruler of the world implying most people are at least partly possessed.

Religion is treasonous in a secular state. Religion says the state only gets its authority from being right and bad laws should be disobeyed when necessary. Since they say God alone is right it follows that the Law should not be separated from religion and God but has to draw authority from him to have any authority that ought to be obeyed. They claim that morality comes from God and that God is the most important thing meaning a morality without him is a sham which entitles them to take over the state. God’s rights matter more than ours for God is the all-good maker so the state ought to prevent any criticism of God’s true Church in the interests of God’s rights.

Religion is already forcing people to join it and those who are in it to stay in it with the threat of their horrendous doctrine of eternal fire for those who die in disobedience.

The love the sinner hate the sin advice that religion gives is just asking us to put up a kindly front while simmering inside with hate and evil. The principle really means that you should hate others so much that you pretend you don’t. You simply cannot hate the sin when the sinner produces it of his or her own free will for the sin reflects the kind of person the person is. Sin is not a thing but something that sinners do. It is part of them. Sin is regarded as an infinite insult to God who deserves only infinite kindness from us so that shows how strongly religion sanctions hatred.

The religions all say that real love does not try to control other people. Religion lies when it says that forcing people to convert to its doctrines is no good for it has to be done freely to be of any value. Force done the right way will decrease the numbers of unbelievers eventually.

Infant baptism is regarded as valid even when it is done against the parents’ will. Baptism is thought to be necessary for salvation and makes you a member of the Church. The doctrine that baptism is essential for salvation suggests that the state should enforce baptism on all babies. The welfare of the baby comes first.

The scriptures of Christianity and Islam state that idolatry is a terrible sin. Idolatry is the worship of what is not the one true God. But to really worship anything you have to be sincere so this sectarian and arrogant dogma of idol worship being sinful is an indictment of sincerity. It is a very serious slander. When that is allowed persecution has to be for condemning idolatry that way is persecution. Excommunication, a practice sanctioned by all authoritarian and power-crazed cults, is also anti-sincerity when it involves the excommunication of heretics. A heretic has to be sincere. Clearly, religion will do anything to present itself in a credible and good light which is why any evidence it provides for its credo is unacceptable.

The Church says if you have the option of being killed or insulting Jesus or denying the faith you should choose to be killed. That clearly implies that you can kill yourself if you find that your faith is going to disappear if you live any longer. You can kill your friend when you see that his faith is slipping away.
Jesus and the Koran taught the doctrine that those who die at variance with God will be tormented in the flames of Hell forever and there is no hope of escape or possibility of repentance.
You need a vast pile of evidence before you can say anybody deserves to rot in Hell forever for that is such a serious punishment. The evidence would need to be better than the evidence that JF Kennedy was shot. The case for Islam and Christianity which both believe in Hell is not that strong – and non-existent from a philosophical point of view. To say that God even if he is all-good which we cannot be totally sure of has the right to damn people forever is to make nonsense of all we know of right and wrong for you need to know why he does it and prove that that his reason is plausible but no explanation is possible. If God can be good and do that then he can be good and command the murder of heretics. It is a serious slander to say that anybody could be that bad that they would choose an eternity of misery. God must do something to the damned to make sure they don’t repent. He must cut off good influences from them. All that whitewash about people going to Hell against the will of poor helpless God is nonsense and is so common and obviously ridiculous that it casts doubt on the integrity of Christian teachers.

Belief in an all-good God who makes diseases and things like that for a purpose causes extreme selfishness and religious selfishness is habitually clothed in the robes of humility and compassion and virtue. For me to say that a child dying of AIDS in Africa is suffering for the divine will is the same as me thinking better the child than me for I would not change places. This evil cannot be for a purpose when it causes such a pile of arrogance and malice. God is an idol for the violent.
I need absolute proof before I can have the right to say that God exists and lets a child suffer and is justified. If I don’t and a little is enough, then what right have I to say that a paedophile who raped me as a child was intentionally doing wrong?

The religions forbid doubt and then they go and try to make each other doubt to get converts. That is intolerance and bigotry.


The number of religion members who are violent in its name immaterial as if violence is not heinous when one does it as it is if a thousand does it.  Religion fundamentally is about the antithesis of that principle so no wonder it is trouble and must not blame individuals alone but blame itself as well.  It is high commitment that matters.  If that commitment involves suicide bombings and religious war mongering then the committed show us what the religion is like more than the lazier members.  The proof of the pudding...
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