Do we prevent somebody being hurt by superstition or faith by rejecting and challenging those things? 

Is it mistaken to support organised religion in membership or donations?

If people do good because they are human, not because God prompts them then is it right to risk giving God any credit when they alone own their good?

Patrick H
Gormley


IF EVIL SPIRITS EXIST THEN WAS JESUS POSSESSED BY THEM?

"Demons, being evil entities, are attracted to their own kind", Jean Williams, Winning With Witchcraft, page 86.

We know today that the gospels are unreliable. There are four of them and they claim to tell us about Jesus Christ the saviour of the world . Incredibly the gospels imply that he was a Satanist or in league with the Devil! Let us examine this frightful suggestion. Let us see if Jesus was in league with the Devil and a Satanist if he lived.
 
Maybe we have an answer for why the fifth existing gospel, Thomas, has Jesus commanding sin and evil. Jesus said, "If you fast, you will bring sin upon yourselves, and if you pray, you will be condemned, and if you give to charity, you will harm your spirits." Jesus hates people, "Lucky is the lion that the human will eat, so that the lion becomes human.  And foul is the human that the lion will eat, and the lion still will become human."

The Jewish religious teachers who knew a thing or two about religion said of Jesus in Mark 3:22: ‘He is possessed by Be-el’zebul, and by the prince of demons he casts out the demons.’  They could not call him possessed unless they thought he really was.  To call him possessed was unnecessary and actually an indication of compassion and denies Jesus could be responsible for his actions.  If they wanted to slander Jesus they would have said, "He is a disciple of the prince of demons and that is how he casts out demons."

Occult lore says that those who do exorcisms risk being possessed themselves.  Catholic lore says the same thing and gives precautions.  Jesus took no precautions or even thought of them.  It is not good enough to assume he was God's Son and did not need to.  How could his exorcisms be a sign that he was from God unless he stated what precautions he took or why he did not need them?  Tellingly there is no hint in the gospels that if the demons left the victim they stayed away.

Catholics say a demon never possesses the victim's soul but the person's body.  In that there is an implicit denial that your body is you.  When you are possessed it is like the demon and you are two ghosts in the one machine.  However, the Church does say the victim could be willingly giving her soul to demonic influence.  It is thought that as God is love the demon does not go in unless somehow invited.  Others think God sends the demon in.  But in both cases the person is expected to contribute to getting the demon out by repenting their own sins.  It is remarkable that in Catholic and Jesus exorcisms there is NO CONCERN for the person's spiritual state or holiness. Their rites are degraded superstition.  And they are the ones that say that magic cares not for virtue but prayer does.  Exorcism then must be superstition dressed up as prayer!  If the person really turned against all evil the demon would have to go and there would be no need for an exorcism.

If Jesus was possessed it does not follow that he ministered long enough for that to become obvious.  Many people thought to need an exorcism develop signs of demonic possession gradually over time.  Did he mean his body and soul both were possessed by evil when he accused God of abandoning him on the cross?  That would imply God could not reside in his black heart.


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