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Jesus Christ was a False Prophet


Jesus Christ, the assumed founder of Christianity, is believed by that religion to be more than just a prophet of God but God himself. Because he was God, Jesus knew all things and could see events in the future before they happened.
Let us assume Jesus existed.
Jesus claimed that he could see into the future and reveal events that have not happened yet.
Jesus said that the Law of Moses was infallible scripture without error and that the Bible stories of Adam and Eve and Jonah eaten up by the big fish and the flood are all true.
We know today they are not. A prophet who is wrong about the past is worse than one that is wrong about the future. Jesus had a mean streak praising the Law for it was a cruel Law.
Jesus had no pre-vision of the future at all. He prayed that there would be one flock and one shepherd when he would fetch his other sheep which was an absolute impossibility with the lack of clarity and lack of coherence in the Bible and conflicting tradition so he couldn’t expect much more than a fragmented flock. He also said that his words would not pass away though heaven and earth could. But there is nothing impressive about his words and many times he is ambiguous so why would God be that keen to preserve his words? The apostles had to decide the theology of the Church not him and do the spin-doctoring so he could have been the dumbest guy ever. Dumb or whatever, he was certainly arrogant.

In Deuteronomy 18, God says that even if a prophet is always right except in one instance that prophet is a fake for God is never wrong. Such a prophet had to be put to death by stoning.

Israel had seen plenty of false prophets throughout its long history. In Jesus Christ it saw another.

Christianity following the gospels believes the Son of God became a man and this coming was the first coming and the second coming is when he returns to judge the world and will be seen by all.
Jesus was a false prophet for he promised to visibly return on the clouds of Heaven like a god in the first century and did not.
Jesus was asked by his apostles when the end of the age would come and when he would return to the earth. The disciples asked Jesus to list the signs that would herald that the second coming was imminent. He prophesied that Jerusalem would be destroyed and the sun and moon would turn black and that the stars would drop out of the sky when he is as near as “someone at the door” (Matthew 24:36, 42-44).
To say as Christians do that he was only predicting the destruction of Jerusalem not the end of the world when his second coming would take place would be to say he never answered this question. But if the gospellers really thought that they would have left the question out and what Jesus said. They were editing after all. Plus Jesus did answer the question because he said that the signs would indicate the end of the world and his coming like you can tell when summer is near from a fig tree.
Some even say that the prophecy meant the invisible coming of Christ and the start of a new era with the end of the old on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came down on the Church and the Church was founded properly. But that contradicts what Jesus said and there is no evidence for it in the Bible. Pentecost was presented as the coming of the Holy Spirit not Jesus.

A growing number of Christians believe that Jesus meant all this stuff about the imminence literally (, Was Jesus Christ a False Prophet?). They point to Romans 13:12 which says the night is nearly over and the day is nearly there meaning the day of the start of the kingdom. Hebrews 10 says Jesus is coming in a little while and uses the same word that appears in John 14:19 for a short time showing it means what it says. John 12:31 has Jesus saying the world will be judged NOW and uses the Greek word nun which means immediately or presently. Another word Mello which means about to happen is used several times in relation to the imminence of the coming of the kingdom. The word appears in reference to other things (Acts 18:14; Acts 28:6) and in contexts that show it means what it says. The Bible never uses it any other way. The New Testament says a few times that the kingdom will come as in tachos meaning a little while. 1 John 2:17-18 says it is the last hour.

The Christian solution to this false prophecy is that the kingdom is a spiritual or perhaps invisible kingdom of God on the basis of Jesus saying his kingdom was not one of this world (John 18:36). But that was not the same as meaning it was just a spiritual kingdom. At that time Jesus had no earthly kingdom but was ruler in Heaven and it could be that when this kingdom comes to earth the present political systems have to be taken away and a new one under Jesus set up. Luke 17:20 may have Jesus saying that the kingdom of God is not to be seen by signs but is already among you but that does not mean the kingdom is just spiritual either. It only means that you have to break with all that is not in accordance with the kingdom so that you are part of the kingdom and living in it before it is politically set up. He wants people to join the kingdom now instead of holding on until signs come and the visible one is set up. So the Christians give a solution that is not in the Bible! Jesus was a false prophet. Also, if they really believe Jesus said it was just a spiritual kingdom then how do they explain the New Testament saying this kingdom was imminent for when it was spiritual it had to have been already there and Jesus had been declaring people members of the kingdom? They cannot and hopelessly contradict themselves. Plus their interpretation ignores the fact that Jesus said that signs in the sun and moon and stars and the visible coming of the Son of Man were imminent and heralded the coming of the kingdom and the end of the age meaning the end of the world.

Jesus said that the time was kept from all people and even that the angels of Heaven and strangest of all, even himself (Mark 13:32). He said only God knew.

So only God knows. Some say that knows here means to make known. Spin-doctor St Augustine of Hippo said that.
Jesus said in Matthew 24 that no one knows and in the next line he declared that this no one included earth people who could be completely surprised. It is twisting the text to say no one just means the people in Heaven for this is not likely.
Do you really think that with the angels being the perfect servants of God that Jesus would say the angels don’t know as in can’t make known but only God can? God will not make it known for Jesus said it was a shock and it will be sudden. There will be no warning. Augustine was lying because he was ashamed that a gospel said that Jesus didn’t know everything while the Church wanted him to be declared to be the all-knowing God.

Jesus thought that God did not trust him or the angels when he would tell them nothing or not let them tell if you accept Augustine’s bizarre claim about the word know.

God kept the exact time from humankind for people would not be afraid to wallow in sin if they knew the exact time (Matthew 25). The living will be judged according to the state they are in when it happens and won’t be able to change just like those who die in grace or sin will never change again. This is why sinners have to fear the second coming for it will fix their wills and put them in Hell forever. Otherwise, it wouldn’t for they could repent when they see Jesus floating on the clouds of Heaven speeding to the ground.

But if God hides the time for the sake of our morals then why did he tell us not to expect Christ until after the world has been evangelised? (Mark 13:10). This hasn’t happened yet and because of Islam which is impervious to Christian missionaries it won’t either for a long, long time. Jesus prophesied that God hid the time and then prophesied the opposite!

Jesus told his apostles that the generation they belonged to not a future one would see the signs he spoke of and watch him return (Mark 13:30). Jesus couldn’t have told them to watch for the signals without lying to them if he meant a future generation (Mark 13:35-37). He said “this generation” would see the signs. Cranks say he did not mean the apostles’ generation but the last one, the one that would see the signs! But they are denying the most likely meaning of the texts when you drop all preconceived ideas. Jesus spoke as if he meant the apostles’ generation so he did mean it. Christians will pervert the word of Jesus that they pretend to respect.

Other cranks say that the references to generation are not literal for when Jesus referred often to a wicked generation in several places (eg Matthew 17:17) that he meant unbelieving Israel of all time (page 65, Whatever Happened to Heaven?). In other words, he meant "this race" by "this generation". There is nothing in the expression or similar expression such as perverse generation or faithless generation that hints of that interpretation. Israel of all time is not a generation. His saying that the blood of the past martyrs will be required at the hands of the generation he was a part of allegedly backs up the non-literal interpretation of generation for the Jew’s of Jesus’ day alone could not be punished for that. But God cannot punish freely in this world because there are so many factors to take into consideration. He would have to let one generation of Israel off lightly and be harder on another though it is no worse depending on how it affects his divine plan.
Christian liar, the theologian, C. I. Scofield manipulated the Bible text. Where the gospel used genea, the word for generation, he lied that the word was genos which means race. Genea means the Jews who were on the planet with Jesus when he spoke - period.
Christians only come up with their outlandish explanations to cover up the fact that Jesus was proven to be wrong. Any fake could be declared a true prophet despite all his or her errors with manoeuvres like that.
In Mark 13, Jesus says that nation will rise against nation and there will be intolerable suffering – he means that there will be worse than ever before for he would look stupid if he just vaguely predicted wars and calamities for these will always be with us. And he told the apostles to look after themselves when they see this and that they will be beaten in the synagogues (v9). This proves he meant the men standing before him for what chance have modern Christians of being beaten in the synagogues? Synagogue was used to translate the Aramaic word, kenishta, which precisely meant the Jewish meeting-house (Synagogue, Bible Dictionary and Concordance, New American Bible).

In Luke, we read that Jesus said that he would come back on the clouds of Heaven and that the present generation would not pass away until it happened (Luke 21:31, 32). Christians say this was not that generation but the one that will see the signs that Jesus is returning. The context rules out this for it has Jesus telling his hearers to watch and not to corrupt themselves so that they will be ready. The verse before says, “When you see these things taking place, understand and know that the kingdom of God is at hand”. To say the you refers to us or some future generation is to torture the text. He said that he was revealing this so that it would be known that he was at the doors. This would not be the case if he meant a future generation. He meant the one he belonged to.  And we know that his generation did not see his return in glory.

Jesus said that when the world crisis that will take place before the end transpires that “you” must not be worried or scared for the end will not come yet (Luke 21:9). If Jesus had a future generation in mind this would mean nothing for the world has often been in grave trouble. He had to have been referring to some great upheaval that his listeners would see and understand when it came that this was it and which he was telling them was coming prior to the end. So are “you” suppose to know that the end time wars have started? The clue comes in his assertion that some of them will be killed before that happens. That alone can be the clue. The passage makes no sense as a warning unless it is clear when the end time wars have started. Therefore we see that when some of Jesus’ disciples in front of him and listening to him are persecuted and killed meaning the ones standing before him for disciples have been persecuted and killed every year since so you know who alone it can be we see that Jesus predicted the end of the world before the deaths of all the people living then. He proved to be a false prophet. The fact that the prophecy was not corrected properly when his prediction failed does not prove that the gospels had an early origin - but that either there were other copies in unknown locations and the Church was forced to decide to leave them as they were or that the gospels were so well hidden that even those who had access to them did not study and think about them thoroughly. The Christians have never thought much as their acceptance of the gospels proves.

In the middle of his guesses about the end-times, Jesus said that under the final persecution that his disciples must not prepare their defence beforehand for his Spirit would bestow an eloquence and a wisdom that nobody could contradict. This man taught a mysterious morality that conflicted with human reason so his promise that they would clear themselves from accusations of practicing an evil bigoted and wacky morality was false. Even Jesus’ basic moral doctrine, the command of forgiveness was evil not in itself but because it was part of a morality that would condemn gays for harmless sexual acts so it acts as an advertisement for Jesus and his eivl morality so it is fake forgiveness and an abomination. Jesus said elsewhere that they would be hated by all over him so his promise was not much good to them. The error proves that Jesus was a false prophet.

It is alleged that Josephus The Wars of the Jews written in 75 AD, in its Book 20, Chapter 8, Fifth Section, shows that Matthew 24 was entirely fulfilled. Josephus recorded a star looking like a sword that was evidently a comet for comets look like swords and visions of chariots and soldiers appearing in the clouds and earthquakes and noises and lights appearing around the Temple and its altar. Though nothing Josephus wrote makes much of a fulfilment of what Jesus said and Jesus did not come again as soon as the signs were past like Matthew 24 predicts it indicates that Josephus influenced the gospels so they all appeared after 75 AD. Perhaps the gospellers did believe the second coming took place then. If so they may have thought that only a few saw their Jesus. Perhaps only a few as well knew of his ministry on the earth since. Lots of people see visions in times of great persecution.

Jesus when he was on trial for his life told the Sanhedrin that he was the son of God and they would see him coming on the clouds of Heaven. The high priest tore his robes and called him a blasphemer. Many believe that since calling yourself the Son of God was only blasphemous if you were a heretic they thought he was a blasphemer for taking that title to himself while being a heretic. But there is no real evidence of serious heresy in the teaching of Jesus. And Jesus was certainly being deliberately provocative which is supposed to be a sin. He was encouraging them to kill him and hate him. He provoked them into a sinful rage. Others believe that it was Jesus saying he would come on the clouds of Heaven that was offensive for they believed he was a false prophet or just an ordinary man and not a prophet and would not be able to do as he predicted. It is certain that Jesus could have been clearer. He could have said he would come on the clouds at the end of the world when they would be resurrected to see him coming. But he clearly gave the impression that he intended to do it very soon. He could have come back for all who were listening to him to see him and so we must conclude that he intended to come back before they died. His words do not imply that he will die for he could be alive and ascend to Heaven and still return on the clouds of Heaven. When Jesus could have meant that he would come back in the lifetime of the Sanhedrin that was what he meant if words are to mean anything at all. The people who were listening to Jesus knew he was a false prophet and they were lawyers and knew him a lot better than any New Testament writer and we are called upon by the dishonest Bible and the even worse religion founded on it to smear them as liars! I know who I’d believe!
Under divine inspiration, Paul wanted men to cease being proper husbands to their wives for the second coming was close (1 Corinthians 7:29-31).

1 John 2:18 says that the Church knows it is the last hour when there are so many antichrists about. He says that they were Christians who were now teaching their own version of the gospel and claims that they never belonged to the Church though they pretended to be sincere believers. He is evidently saying that only those who are true Christians join the Church and never fall away and that those who do fall away never belonged. That is quite nasty and sanctimonious. Anyway, he has to mean that since there are so many apostates and heretics the end must be nigh. Their number must be huge indeed and most must have turned heretics when he could make the deduction from their great number that the end is nigh implying that God would have to destroy the world soon for if he didn’t there would soon be no true faith left. This warns us to be wary of Catholic tradition and to reject the totally insane and delusional view of the Catholic Church that there was only one Church in those days. There were almost as many Churches as heretics. John then proved himself to be a false prophet and the gospel he wrote has no authority and we are forbidden to treat the writings of false prophets as scripture.

The Book of Revelation said that the return would happen “in a little while” (22:6,7). God forbade the hiding of anything from any person, in the book for it was too near so it was wrong not to let people be ready (v10). He wanted the people warned in time so that they could avoid the disgusting punishments described in Revelation. God didn’t tell this in case Jesus would return. He couldn’t say Jesus might come back when he knew he wouldn’t be. That would be lying.

The first Christians were instructed that the end is nigh (1 Peter 4:7; Revelation 22:20). The whole purpose of the end is nigh stuff was to teach that people must be ready at all times. What is the point of warning, “Jesus will soon be back”, when you don’t mean that he is to be expected back before you die? If you don’t mean that then what you say is, “Jesus will come back but it could be any time”. Paul or an impostor attacked this view and said that any letter that said the Lord’s coming had already happened was a fake (2 Thessalonians 2:2,3). Then it was asserted that this coming will not take place until the apostasy happens first which shows he rejects the idea that the Lord’s coming is nigh as well.
Haley who wrote a heap of drivel called Alleged Discrepancies of the Bible to prove that the Bible never contradicts itself and so must be God’s word denies that there is a contradiction in the New Testament saying that Jesus was coming soon and his coming being far off (page 134). It is most likely that there is a contradiction for one says the Lord is nigh and the other denies it is in both places. The wording is alike. That is the reply to Haley’s saying that the end is nigh means different things to different people. Also in 2 Thessalonians 1:5-8 says that God IS proving his justice in repaying those who persecute Christians for it is the retribution that will come to a head with the return of Jesus.

Haley says that since Jesus has gone he could be back anytime so in a sense the coming is near at hand for we are in the evening time of the world. But when they said that Jesus could return anytime anybody saying it is near must mean near in the literal sense of the word.

James who held great authority in the Church wrote that the Christians must be patient or lose heart for the Lord’s return is so near that he is as good as standing at the gates of your house. How could this mean that soon could be a thousand years? We should not assume James is talking from God’s perspective when a thousand years is short for he never claims to be writing scripture. He is talking from his own perspective. If he is not then we can read all our prejudices into the Bible and we can practice the dishonesty of taking a person to be speaking figuratively when there is no reason but our biased narrowness to think so. James is certainly showing that if the earthly Church had the prophecies about the second coming they knew they referred to a coming that was literally very close to happening.
Christians, Jesus and his apostles were false prophets. Accept it.


Jesus says that there are some standing in front of him who will not pass away until they see the kingdom of God established in power (Mark 9:1). And it is unlikely, as the some shows, that this will happen in a matter of months so he was saying that some of them would see the second coming several years later when there would only be some of the original group alive. That should close up those who say Jesus meant that the kingdom would be established in power by his death and resurrection from the dead which were to be his triumph over sin and death and our salvation. Also, Jesus stresses what he says too much for it to refer to a Church - it is something incredible and spectacular. People knew a cult had formed and would grow so it did not need to be accentuated. The kingdom was the one promised after the end of the world. Also, the kingdom had to be supernaturally enforced for he says the people will see the kingdom – a mere Church could not be what is meant for you can only see what claims to be the kingdom but he says they will see the kingdom.

Jesus’ death and resurrection did not establish the kind of kingdom that Jesus means for they were not long away and you only say a person will not die until they see such and such if it is a long way off in the future.

Is it not strange that the Jewish prophets said lots of things about the future and anything Jesus said cannot be proven to be prophetic for it either happened before the prophecy was written down or has not happened yet? There is something wrong when the greatest prophet offers no convincing reasons to believe that he really is a prophet. It shows that he is a fraud and knows it.

A true prophet can see what is in the past and not just what is in the future. Jesus took the Genesis flood story literally and made it clear that he did. Noah had one ark. But you would need hundreds of Arks to contain the countless different species of insects alone. Since the waters rose above even the highest mountain on earth there was no other way for them to survive. There is the problem of how the kangaroos and koalas got back to Australia. When Jesus could not get the past right why bother bending over backwards to make it seem that he knew the future? To twist failed prophecies to make them seem to be hits when there is no evidence of any ability to see the future is extreme bigoted bias.

Jesus complained in Luke that he wondered if there would be any faith left on the earth when he would return for times would be so bad and the false prophets would have tremendous success. 2 Peter 3 says that the day of the Lord will come and will see the earth destroyed by fire and God has chosen to wait until we be brought to change our ways. He cannot wait until all convert for that will never happen. So God will wait until the world is at its peak spiritual condition before this happens for he wants none to be lost. This completely contradicts Jesus’ Lucan prophecy.


The Bible, though it claims to be the work of a God who can gaze into the future and says that God cannot err nevertheless contains false prophecies.

Even if God could be wrong about the future he could use force to fulfil what he has predicted. Better to do that than to be wrong.

Matthew 24. In this Jesus says that Jerusalem will be destroyed and then himself, the Son of God, will return.

Haley says that from the prophet’s perspective the two events seem to happen at the one time though there is a huge interval (Alleged Discrepancies, page 132). But Matthew never said he saw this way – and what use is a jumbled vision? And Paul asserted that God never confuses. An unnecessary miracle is being supposed. God gives visions in such a way that the prophet can mistake them as referring to one event or time. That is irrational, any crank could set themselves up as a prophet if mixing up visions could be an excuse for error. And if the seer saw Jesus coming after Jerusalem was razed then the vision clearly told him that there was no interval. Why else would he be shown Jesus after seeing the city in ruins in his vision? What would be the point in the order of Matthew 24 which starts with the disaster for Jerusalem and then the aftermath and then says the second coming happens. When it describes the attack and the aftermath why would it jump to an event thousands of years away?

1 Corinthians 15:51-53. This says that we will not all be dead when Jesus comes back. It says that Paul and Co who are mortal will put on immortality. You have to be alive and mortal to do that. It is nonsense to speak of a dead body being mortal and putting on immortality.

Haley says that we is just the human race in general who will be here when Jesus comes back. But in the context, the Church was told that Jesus could return anytime so we could be literally we. This is the simplest and therefore the true interpretation.

2 Thessalonians 2:2,3. Paul or an impostor says that people should not be shaken or annoyed when they receive letters that say the second coming is here for they are forgeries for the apostasy must take place first. That seems to refer to people who were writing letters claiming that Jesus had came back invisibly or anonymously.

The prophetic book of Revelation says that the prophet must publish it because the time of its fulfilment is close (22:10). Haley conveniently ignores this scripture because he knows that it would not be commanding this unless it was thought that Jesus was already on the way back to earth.

Matthew 10:23. Jesus says to the disciples that before they preach the gospel in every city of Israel the Son of Man will come.

Strauss saw a false prophecy here in his New Life of Jesus (I, 325).

Christians say that Matthew would not have made a blunder like that and put in a false prophecy. But perhaps he did not understand it correctly or did not think.

Haley says that Jesus means before he will come to judge Jerusalem not the second coming but this is not even suggested in the text and must be dismissed as mere speculation. Jesus never sat in judgment on the city.

And then Haley says that the Israel represents any area where the Church will be. But there is no evidence of symbolism or of Jesus meaning people other than the real Israel and so he addressed the disciples personally when he said, “you will not preach”.

It is dishonest to deny that a text is literal when it is proved wrong in its literal sense. The Christians would not apply this method to any other silly book.

Luke 1:33. The kingdom of Jesus would never end. This claim is made because of a prophecy in Daniel (7:14).

This flies in the face of Paul’s prophecy that Jesus will give up the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 15).

Haley says that Jesus will rule no more as Mediator but as God so he gives up the kingdom as mediator to God who is himself (Alleged Discrepancies, page 137). But if Jesus was God then he ruled as God and Mediator since he became a human being. Paul says that when God becomes all in all that the Son will become subject to God. But as Mediator he is already subject to God according to Paul so Haley’s twisted interpretation is wrong. What Paul means is that Jesus will be admitted into Heaven or God’s presence in the future so that he will be completely absorbed in God and will cease to have any authority of his own for God’s will and his will shall be fused as one. Obviously, Paul did not hold that Jesus was God.

The New Testament is false scripture for it contains false prophecy and Jesus himself prophesied lies and errors. God cannot make mistakes about the future so God didn’t write the New Testament. Jesus was not the Son of God. He was not God. He showed no evidence that God was telling him the future. The Christians parade his prophecies as if they could be real predictions of the future but that is not enough. Even their interpretations mean nothing for they could as easily not be real predictions. Plus the Christians have to lie and distort things to hide the fact that there is no could be about it. The fact remains that they won't let the texts speak for themselves. The Christians have no right to come up with excuses for why texts saying Jesus is coming soon and be ready mean the coming could be far off for the New Testament not once says there will be much time for the world after its being written. The excuses are far-fetched and taken from thin-air. The prophecies are simply wrong. Christianity worships a false God. Why is it that there are plenty of miracle tales but no examples of somebody who really knows the future? That says a lot!
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All Prophets Were False! Stephen Van Eck  
False Prophecies, Broken Promises, and Misquotes in the Bible, Steven Carr, Critique of Josh McDowells Non-Messianic Prophecies This Site cannot be overly recommended. It is superb.