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Patrick H

"Love Neighbour As Self" - Why its Harmful
Christianity defines love as a free choice - an act in which you give yourself in heart and soul and action completely to another. Real love has NO regard for yourself. The Church tells husbands and wives to have no regard for themselves. The love of God means caring about pleasing God and what he wants without regard for yourself. The Church is clear that if anybody deserves that kind of love it is God. Love is giving and is about what is right and good for the other. Notice that this kind of love only lets you look after yourself for the sake of the other person. It is about the other person only. If your looking after yourself does not help the other person or hurt them then it does not matter about you. Who would be able to love you and care for you if they asked that of you? Nobody. The doctrine is one of degrading yourself in the name of love.
How does the command to value only God absolutely tie in with the bloodshed endorsed by God in the Bible he wrote. The violence commanded in the Old Testament scriptures against some sinners such as adulteresses and fortune-tellers indicates that the love of God must be chosen if there is a choice between protecting a life and loving God. God is so lovable that those who insult that love grievously must be destroyed. The laws go as far as to make no provision for lessening the penalty and no provisions are made to open the door to forgive those "criminals" should they repent. Whether you execute sinners or not, you are in principle saying that if need be they should be killed for the love of God.

Jesus, according to the gospels, said that we must love our neighbour as ourselves. He declared this was a command. This teaching was extracted from the Law of Moses. Your neighbour just means the person you are interacting with now. A person on a train who you have never met before is your neighbour.
If you love your neighbour as yourself you will go out and make as many neighbours as possible. It would be selfish to help a few people instead of more people and the commandment does not want you just doing good for a couple of people. It would be hypocrisy if it did. Love your neighbour as yourself is not meant to be put into practice when the neighbours call around which would be a few times a day. It is meant to be practiced in every waking moment. It is a law of discipline for loving others as yourself requires discipline. Its hard so it has to be worked at all the time.
We have not evolved to help each other. We are selfish in who we help and what tribe or nation we help. Though Christians say love of neighbour is indiscriminate, the fact remains is that they care about their own. It may as well advocate discrimination for all the good it is doing.
Jesus and the Christian Church think it is not enough for us to live the way many of us do. We do not value our neighbour as ourselves but we help them when they are in trouble and we are friendly towards them. We don't need to put ourselves and others under pressure to do the impossible by valuing them as ourselves. If you value your neighbour as yourself then you will be willing to devote yourself to your neighbour - even if a stranger - for life if he is sick.
Life is hard enough. Some say if we do good but don't feel we value others as ourselves that is fine! But this lack of valuing in our hearts can lead to trouble. It can lead to you standing by the shore as your neighbour drowns because you value yourself most and won't take the risks involved with trying to save him. Their advice really says the most you should expect of people is people helping you without feeling affection for you. You don't think much of yourself or others if you take that advice! You are not going to like others if you think they are under no obligation to give you affection or think anything of you.
We have seen that to love your neighbour properly according to Christianity, you must keep God and the duty to conform to his will before you. The commandment is really about God and not human happiness at all.
A commandment we do not need is a bad one.
People only deceive themselves that they find love your neighbour as yourself appealing. In fact they prefer the neighbour’s children to die rather than their own if there is a choice to be made. We can all think of countless examples. If people were honest there would be no Christian Church.
We simply cannot love our neighbour as ourselves. Love thy neighbour is a better injunction. Can you really love a stranger in the sense that you would do any good at all for her as much as your lover or mother or father or child?
Religion says the command isn’t about feelings but respecting the rights or needs of the stranger as much as your own.
Thus it downgrades feelings. It says action matters and feelings do not.
If you had a choice between the stranger dying and your child you would pick the stranger if you really follow the command. Why? You don’t have feelings for the stranger.
Not having feelings for people is what enables psychopaths to be so dangerous. You cannot love people when you have no feelings for them. You are refusing to value them as persons and you are a potential danger to them simply because you feel nothing for them.
The commandment makes an impossible demand on us and can only result in hatred towards ourselves and others for failing to obey it. The proper translation of what the commandment wishes us to do is, “Claim you are trying to love your neighbour as yourself so hide your hostility to others and yourself but don’t let go of that hostility”. The commandment shows how much guilt Christianity lays on people. No wonder the Bible says that you need to be saved before you can do any good at all for prior to salvation you are just good for nothing but sin.
The reason 99% of people who call themselves Christians do so is because they are attracted by the idea of others loving them as themselves. They think its a great ideal to be asked to love others as themselves. They are mistaken in what attracts them to the religion.
The gospels say that Jesus declared that this commandment is the second greatest of the commandments in the faith with the command to love God totally and without reserve being the first so if there is a choice you have to love God at the expense of your neighbour. This is hypothetical but it still means the Christian has to become the kind of person who would deprive the neighbour of any love if it were necessary to please God.
Loving God totally is harder than neighbour. God has no needs and the neighbour does. God seems more distant than the neighbour for the neighbour at least is a human being. God is like a ghost or power. Religion says you do not love God if you fail to love neighbour and vice versa. The atheist can love people far better than a believer can for the atheist does not have to struggle with giving God the (according to religion) rightful place in the heart.
Exclusive love directed to God takes time to develop. Developing and working on it would have to be the sole focus for beginners.
They can give more attention to loving neighbours after they have made some progress. God makes a good excuse if you don't want to love others!
The believers like the commandment to love neighbour for it warms their hearts. The believers are less keen however on loving others as themselves!
Believers find Jesus charming as they forget the fact that did not say that loving others as much as yourself is the most important law. He said that loving God with all your powers and not some of them was the greatest commandment. This is even harder than loving your neighbour as yourself. By the time you get around to loving God as he wants the neighbours will be dead and buried and forgotten.

The commandment to love God is the supremely important one. Loving neighbour is less important so loving God - as interpreted as understood by your religion needless to say – must be made the centre point. The Bible says that we have to love God and our neighbour and if we don’t love one we don’t love the other. The two go together. How does this fit the assertion that we must work on loving God before loving our neighbour?
Even if the two go together, we must intend that if they didn’t we would love God totally at the expense of ourselves and our neighbour. The fanaticism of this is obvious. The commandments have secret horrors. We cannot intend such a thing without seeking big heroic good works to do to prove it that we would love God alone and totally if he asked.
We only love our neighbour because God commands it and it is loving God to obey him. The neighbour is not valuable in themselves irrespective of whether there is a God or not. So even if we serve our neighbour we are only doing it because we are working on loving God alone. That is the reconciliation.
Love your neighbour as yourself means put God’s authority first which is why Jesus said this commandment was like the one to love God alone and with all our powers. We obey it because God commanded it so it is just pleasing him we are to care about. We do not love our neighbour as ourselves because others need love but because we create a God for ourselves who commands it. Can you see how villainous this is? There is a hardness in a person that refuses to see that love is right for people need love. There is no real morality possible with such a person though the appearance of morality certainly is.
It is a sin to help your neighbour when you could be encouraging him to do selfless good instead. To be happy when your Christian wife is kind to you is foolish for she is only doing it to please God and not you for she believes in Jesus’ commandment to love God with all our being and that God is owed all that love. If she really cares for you, she will consider you to be an end in yourself and not just a means of pleasing God. If she cares even a bit then she regards caring as sin and she believes that she cannot love you or God with sin in her heart so she cannot win unless she becomes an Atheist. If God’s will were that she should not do good for her husband she would not be doing it so she does not care for him at all. She loves him in the sense that she treats him as God wants him to be treated which is not loving him at all. The Christian law of love is so horrible that it would make you anti-social.

Jesus had a different meaning for love than we generally have. Thus there is no reason to believe that he tolerated self-love. Love in his book meant doing the will of God be it bad or good for you and trusting him even to the extreme of being willing to die for his revelation even if death was the end or the gateway to Hell for having the wrong beliefs. There is nothing reasonable or pleasant in this “love”. To love God means doing God’s will without reserve and without hesitation and to love your neighbour means, “Do what God wants you to do to them” and is not about affection towards them for themselves. Jesus was opposed to loving yourself and we all know that we only hurt others in so far as we fail to love ourselves. We cannot give love to others if it is not in us and it doesn’t start in us unless we love ourselves.
Serving others so that when you see them happy, that will make you happy, is really to work for your own happiness and not theirs for your motive is your own happiness. Their happiness is but the means to the end, and the end is your happiness. But God says love your neighbour as yourself so he forbids you to get self-esteem in helping others. You help others as yourself but you are not allowed to do it all just because you love yourself and consider yourself worthwhile. That command is meant to do one thing, break people down and turn them into failures. It is no wonder the majority of Christians live bad lives at least from a God or Bible perspective. Yet prayer is about trying to love your neighbour as yourself so prayer is a deadly device.
God-based religion is anti-happiness whether it notices it or not and must be firmly but gently corrected. God, if he is maker of all things, made the aberration in us that makes us develop happiness when we stop focusing on it. This suggests that happiness is something he does not like. Religion might say we are only to have stopped directly focusing on happiness and we are still after it but indirectly but if God made that system it suggests a grudging tolerance of self-love. He can’t stomach it but just endures it. God prefers us if we distort our feelings and end up depressed and miserable. To see us happy is as vulgarity to him.

Love neighbour as yourself contradicts the idea of marriage. Marriage implies you love one person as yourself and everybody else in second place. Catholic marriage isn't impressive in the love stakes! The vows really say, "I take you as my spouse until death us do part. If we part you will still have to be faithful to me for the marriage still exists though it doesn't. A marriage where people live separate lives is not a marriage at all." That sounds more geared towards control than love!
If you love your neighbour as yourself then what if you are in a dangerous park with your children and a young child you have never seen before falls into a pool and is about to drown? If you love your neighbour as yourself you will put your own children at risk by abandoning them to jump into the pool to save the child who is at greater risk. Suppose you love your neighbour as yourself. If your child and another child are in danger of death and you can only save one you will find it a struggle to decide which one you will save. You will love the child equally to your own child. Do you see how hypocritical, dangerous, unnatural and warped love your neighbour as yourself is?
Jesus himself condemned people who love those who love them and said that those who love their enemies as well are better. He urged that family ties come second to serving people in general. He left his mother to go and preach to the people. If you love your neighbour as yourself then surely your love should be devoted to the people you know best and the people who have helped you and brought you up in preference to loving everybody else. In this view, going to the mission fields and leaving your family would be condemnatory.


Jesus was always terribly incoherent. Jesus’ teaching cannot be reconciled with the view that it is good to die for your neighbour to save his life if he is attacked by a murderer. He certainly made it clear that the best love is in dying for another. But this is loving your neighbour more than yourself or even loving your neighbour and not yourself. Logically, you should walk away and safeguard your own life unless you are fairly sure you can handle the attacker. Many Christians, despite and against the faith, agree. But when to die as a true martyr is a guarantee of Heaven and when it is a great act of selfless love it is plain that Christians cannot agree with it. Jesus Christ allegedly died as a ransom for sinners so it was suicide for he had no need to do this for sinners, according to Christian belief, deserve to be tormented in Hell and not be saved from it by his death. To refuse to offer your life to save the life of another would certainly be an insult to what Jesus has done for you. Jesus loved us more than himself so we have to do the same. When you have degrade yourself by dying for another it follows you have to do it in matters of lesser importance as well.

Jesus said the love your neighbour as yourself commandment along with the one to make God the only thing that mattered in any sense was the summary of the Law and the Prophets. It cannot be the summary if it is just commanding concern and affection for others for the Law commanded many horrible things and made divine authority not love its basis. You love not because you see value in the persons but because Divine Authority says you must love. So Jesus denied that the commandment was just about concern. It was about being concerned about obeying God.
 It cannot be a summary for it does not show what the Law is like as it is over-simplified. The Law is too big and complex for a summary.
Jesus attempted to summarise the evil Law with a good rule thus he was saying the Law was good!
Christians are clear that you are to see your neighbour as another you.  If you see others as another self then you will abuse them like you do yourself.  We all are our own worst enemy.  Seeing a person as yourself at the mirror is a way of objectifying them.  You see you not them.  You insult them for you want it to be about you.  You hurt them when you see they are not you.


Could you imagine a less sick doctrine than one that urges you to love your neighbour and then makes it impossible for you? Jesus advocated love and then took steps to make sure hatred would reign instead.
Twisted doctrines like the ones he gave make you unavoidably feel persecuted when criticised or when people know of your failures to love your neighbour. They cause vengeful instincts. They lead to apologies that are not meant but which are just done to hide your real feelings and attitudes. They lead to the belief that you either use or you be used.
Love of neighbour is a waste of breath and time if forgiveness between neighbours is not countenanced.
When someone is bothering you, you may go to them and explain the problem with them nicely. You do not tell them off because they will get very angry and reject you. What happens is that they reconcile with you. Yet their attitude is that if you had upset them they would have told you to go to Hell though they started the trouble and were as bad as you as you would be for challenging them. How cosmetic! So that is a truce rather than a reconciliation. Its tolerance not forgiveness for forgiveness requires acceptance.
The Church brags about God and his great reconciling power that comes through the Church. It thrives on such hypocritical forgiveness. Its bragging about itself too for it sees itself as the means of divine peace making! So the reconciliation the Church believes in is a complete contradiction of the law of loving your neighbour as yourself. In this case it is more a matter of, “Degrade yourself to please your neighbour”.

Why teach that you must love God above all things and do all things entirely to please him and nobody else (though some will be pleased in the process)? Rather, why not teach that you must love humanity in general this way and treat it as a unit? That would be the sensible thing to do.
The Bible God never says that if anybody committing a crime shows signs of possession or madness that he should get away free. Across the board it prescribes the death penalty for many crimes and forbids you to let your eye pity the person. This is support for the notion many have that rules are worthless if you make excuses all the time for the lawbreakers. The Bible orders you to forgive but your chances will be limited if you take it seriously! 
Jesus said that the rule to love your neighbour as yourself was the second greatest commandment. The command to love God most of all is the greatest commandment of all. Now in an emergency we have to think about what course of action best fulfils the law of loving the neighbour as oneself. This is more important than acting quickly. The commandment is a great help if you see a child on a road and a car about to hit her or him. The commandment even if it is good is made evil in the sense that it is given such importance!
The commandments of Jesus are about love of God coming first meaning the interior love matters more than the actions used to express that love. God looks at the heart. People only see the outward signs of love. Thus it matters far more what God thinks of us than people. Thus hypothetically it is best to say a prayer with a little love in the heart for God than to save the world with less love.
The fact that Jesus commanded that we be sure that God alone means anything to us and that people only have indirect value in relation to him urges us that even in an emergency we must stop and think not about doing the most good we can but about the purity of our motives and their ability to slot right into these commands. The commandments and the way they are exalted above all other considerations tells us what fanatical poison they are. People are only instruments to be used in pursuit of obedience to these commandments.
While you pause to make sure you are spiritually right before you save the drowning child, the child will draw his last breath.
You have five senses. You love what they tell you is there not what is there. To prove the point, say you were unknowingly strapped up to a machine that tricked the sense data going to your brain into thinking you met a woman you fell deeply in love with. This woman does not exist. So you do not love your neighbour, this lady, as yourself but you love your sense data as yourself. The reason is that you do not really believe in your neighbour’s existence but in the sensations you have of your neighbour. You live as if you believe in your neighbour because you have to take these sensations into account. Your senses are part of what you are so you love yourself by loving the information they give you. To really love your neighbour as yourself means you must hate yourself. It requires you to be disgusted by your love for your perceptions not people. It is meant to break you down when you see you can’t do it and to hate yourself for not being able.
We need love. To say we need love is to say we suffer if we don't get it. So love is always an act of compassion. We are all damaged and we all have our vulnerabilities. Nobody needs a counsellor because they fell off a bicycle and broke a leg and spent weeks in the house after. People only need help for what PEOPLE did to them. If you loved the sinner and hated the sin as religion requires, you would not need such help. Why? Because then you would see only the person when you see the sinner and not see the sinner. So it follows that nearly all the compassion we get isn't justified. It isn't justified for we failed to love and are bearing the consequences. The damage done to us by the past is our own fault. Religion then is the mortal enemy of true compassion. Belief in God is a shrine of evil.
If you can help a bad person or a good person and you are to love your neighbour as yourself then who do you help? I’d say it is more loving to help the bad person for badness produces unhappiness and insecurity in the person practicing it. The bad person needs to be shown good more than the good person. The bad person needs to see God in your actions and be thereby inspired to change and turn to holiness. The good person will understand if he is really good. So love your neighbour as yourself was made up by evil people to exploit the gullible so that they would reap the benefit. You need to do good to attract the bad person to good so that it becomes more real and maybe more attractive to them. If they forget what good is like they will remain bad so they need to see it a lot. If the wicked will burn in Hell forever it is vital that they be helped and the virtuous ignored so that they might be saved from the jaws of Satan.
Jesus’ parable of the Good Samaritan says that instead of helping the people you consider most worthy you must not even think about that at all. This opposes the commonsense observation that you should try to expend your energy on those who will do the most good. To hold that you should sacrifice yourself for the undeserving is really to say that you should love your neighbour more than yourself. Love your neighbour as yourself meant that if you were a homosexual or a heretic or an adulterer in those days it was your duty to love your neighbour as yourself by consenting and approving of them stoning you to death and allowing them to do it.




“Jesus commands his followers to love God, using the same words as Moses (“With all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might,” MATTHEW, 22:37, in referring to DEUTERONOMY 6:5). Jesus’ second commandment is to love one another: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself” (MATTHEW 22:39). But what can it mean to love others as one loves oneself? The psychological origins of love are in attachment to parents and sexual partners. We do not attach to ourselves; we do not seek security and fulfillment in ourselves. What Jesus seems to mean is that we should value others as much as we value ourselves; we should be kind and generous even to strangers and even to our enemies” (The Happiness Hypothesis -Jonathan Haidt).

This quote is important for it shows that there is no room for modern ideas about self-love in it. Despite first appearances, the commandment forbids these ideas.

Love thy neighbour as yourself is the Christian sugar used to bait converts and keep them. The teaching is fraught with hypocrisy, absurdity and impracticality. Respect your neighbour as yourself would be better even if some have doubts about its practicality. That Jesus, if the gospels speak the truth, didn’t say we must respect our neighbour as ourselves shows he was incapable of clarity and commonsense.

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