Do we prevent somebody being hurt by superstition or faith by rejecting and challenging those things? 

Is it mistaken to support organised religion in membership or donations?

If people do good because they are human, not because God prompts them then is it right to risk giving God any credit when they alone own their good?

 


AN EXAMINATION OF A REPORT IN THE BOOK MIRACLES AT KNOCK BY MC PHILPIN 1880

On the night of the 21st of August 1879 the Virgin Mary flanked by St Joseph and a bishop thought to be St John the Evangelist and an altar with a lamb and cross on it allegedly appeared on the gable wall of the Parish Church of Knock for a few hours. Fifteen people witnessed the vision including a child of five (page 60, The Evidence for Visions of the Virgin Mary).  Witness statements were published in a highly altered and edited form that differed hugely from the real ones the witnesses made.  That witnesses didn't do the slightest thing about the lies speaks strongly against them as honest people.

"Although some of the

witnesses have described the figures as statues,

yet they assert that those they saw were like

living beings, as their eyes and the brightness of        THERE IS NOT A SINGLE TESTIMONY THAT THEY SEEMED ALIVE

their eyes ever showed. They were statue-like

only in this respect, that the figures did not               THIS IS CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT THE WITNESSES

speak. It is in that respect the witnesses bear            WERE SAYING THEY LOOKED LIKE GHOSTS OF STATUES.

testimony to their statue or ghost-like appearance.    THE BOOK TRIES TO EXPLAIN THIS AWAY VERY UNCONVINCINGLY.

Phosphoric light is ever fitful and fluctuating,               NOBODY CALLS THINGS STATUES JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T SPEAK

like the light of a reflected moon on the

disturbed surface of a rippling lake. It is never

even nor at rest. But in the apparition there was

no rippling or ever and constant changing of light.         ANOTHER LIE.  THE WITNESSES SIMPLY NEVER SAID IF THIS WAS THE CASE.

The figures and likenesses that were seen were

settled i they presented an accurate outline, and

were constant and continuous in their pose for

two hours and a half. Add to all this that the

lights were beheld at a distance of over half a ,

mile; phosphoric lights cannot be seen thirty

yards off-above all, they cannot be seen in daylight.

But this is certain: that while water is

being poured on a surface on which phosphorus

is. being rubbed, no light from it is seen. Now,

according to the testimony of the witnesses, it

was, during the whole period, pouring torrents

of rain on the gable end of the church, so much

so that all of them say what they wondered at

most, like Moses looking at the bush burning and

yet not consumed, was that the" bodies" before

them were deluged with rain, and all the while

they were not wet, nor the silvery glow that surrounded            EVIDENCE WEAK THAT IT RAINED HEAVILY ALL THE TIME

them in any way lessened. The glowing

light of phosphor is yellowish; this seen on

the night of the apparition was white."