Do we prevent somebody being hurt by superstition or faith by rejecting and challenging those things? 

Is it mistaken to support organised religion in membership or donations?

If people do good because they are human, not because God prompts them then is it right to risk giving God any credit when they alone own their good?

 


BOTTOM LINE: If you are in a religion there is political and social baggage that you take on whether you want it or not.  That entails a link to violence.  If you are not violent, you are not responsible for what a co-religionist terrorist does in the name of the religion but you are responsible for being the sea for that fish to swim in. 

A religion comes and peace is destroyed.   It says it is good and not to blame.  You need to be able to prove that the faith or religious drive is not to blame for what its terrorists do in its name. You cannot prove that.  People have rights - ideas and religious ideas do not so it is inherently very unfair to blame people and leave the beliefs or religious system out of it.  To say that something else will be persecuting and killing if you don't have the religion to do it is really saying we should put up with the religion for better the devil you know.  It is either saying that human nature is bad and will find something else.  To say that another bad religion will come.  So it is an inherently sectarian argument.  It is a terrible thing that a human person as a person has to be blamed like that rather than the religious human person. It amounts to saying that human nature is dangerous but religion is not. The argument backfires for its says that man-made religion then must be bad!

Honouring a Bible with violence that you see as man-made though it says it is God's word is vile.  That is deliberately condoning man preaching violence for God.  Only God has the right to write a scripture and one that has nasty commands should be rejected.  Cherry-picking the good bits from scriptures that contain tolerance or endorsements of violence is just making them look good though they have the violence in. It's ingrained in the book once it is written in. To honour the book is denying that the violence is disgusting and intolerable. It is a thin argument against violence that depends on you being selective. Politicians do that all the time - they cherry pick the life story of the terrorist and make him or her a hero. You are cherry picking non-violent statements and ignoring the violent so you are making the ban on violence depend on you and what you say. It is not you. You did not write the scripture. Who do you think you are?  Don't you know that evil religions and evil scriptures need to do a lot of good in order to be effective at doing the evil?  Nothing can afford to be totally and too obviously bad.

VIOLENCE AND RELIGION

ARGUMENT: "IF WE DON'T HAVE RELIGION TO FIGHT ABOUT IT WILL BE SOMETHING ELSE!" REFUTED

ARGUMENT: "YOU CAN'T DEFINE A RELIGION BY THIS GENOCIDAL TYRANT"

A theologian answers those who say religion causes violence

AUTHORITY - HOW IT MAKES "GOOD" PEOPLE FEEL OKAY ABOUT OBEYING EVIL COMMANDS

An example of Christians in good standing defending genocide

BAD RELIGION - IS THERE SUCH A THING AS GOOD RELIGION?

BANNING VIOLENCE DOES NOT ABSOLVE A RELIGION FROM BEING TO BLAME FOR IT

BIBLE IS NOT THE FRIEND OF IMMIGRANTS

BOREDOM - HOW IT LEADS TO RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM AND EVEN SUICIDE
BYSTANDER EFFECT - WHEN RELIGIOUS PEOPLE LET THEIR RELIGION HURT YOU

CATHOLIC CHURCH DECREES PERSECUTION

Catholicism remains a threat to religious freedom

CHARLIE HEBDO AND THE EVIL IDEA THAT YOU CAN DIVINE THAT GOD HAS A PLAN

God is the ingredient that makes a religion dangerous

COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY TELLS YOU TO WALK AWAY FROM RELIGION

CURRENT RELIGIOUS WARS

DOES IT MATTER IF RELIGION MAKES BAD PEOPLE VERY GOOD OR VERY GOOD PEOPLE VERY BAD?

DON'T FORGET THAT A RELIGION'S EXTREMISM IS NOT A PERCENTAGE GAME - 1% AS BAD AS 99%

"EGALITARIAN" BIBLE TEXTS ARE TWISTED - THEY ARE NOT INCLUSIVE

"EQUALITY IN THE BIBLE? -THERE IS NEITHER JEW/GREEK OR MALE/FEMALE IN CHRIST"

 

EMPATHY AND ENABLING RELIGIOUS EVIL

ERIC RUDOLPH OLYMPIC BOMBER DID IT OVER FAITH

EXCUSES FOR VIOLENCE COMMANDED BY GOD IN THE BIBLE ANSWERED

EXTREMIST OR ABSOLUTIST - WHAT SHOULD WE CALL RELIGIOUS TERRORIST?

FACTIONS IN A RELIGION ARE AS BAD AS THE RELIGION

FOR GOOD PEOPLE TO DO EVIL IT TAKES RELIGION

FOR HONEST PEOPLE TO LIE IT TAKES RELIGION

FOUNDER OF RELIGION IF BAD MAKES HIS FOLLOWERS AS BAD AS HIMSELF IN PRINCIPLE

IDEOLOGY - IDEOLOGY EVEN WHEN "BENIGN" IS STILL HARMFUL AND POTENTIALLY EVEN MORE SO

"I SIN AND DO BAD BUT I'D BE WORSE WITHOUT THE GRACE OF GOD AND MY RELIGION"

ISLAMIC STATE - ISIS

CALLING TERRORISTS MAD OR BAD?

LUCIFER EFFECT - WE WOULD BE HITLERS GIVEN THE RIGHT CHANCE 

FAITH TOO EASILY CAN TURN TO HELPING VIOLENCE HAPPEN

RELIGION CAN USE THE CRAVE FOR MEANING IN LIFE TO TURN YOU TERRORIST 

RELIGIOUS SPIN - HOW RELIGION TRICKS WITH A GOOD IMAGE

RELIGION DOES NOT JUST HURT OTHER RELIGIONS BUT ITS OWN PEOPLE

RELIGIOUS WARS - A LIST - NOT EXHAUSTIVE!

JUST WAR THEORY - HOW GOD TURNS WAR INTO A RELIGIOUS CRUSADE

Bible verses that command hate - specifically religious hate

MARXISM - IT COPIED THE EVIL TECHNIQUES OF CHRISTIANITY FOR CREATING TYRANNY

Bible verses that command hate - specifically religious hate

NO EXCUSE FOR SAYING, "RELIGION SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED FOR MEMBERS ARE NOT ALL BAD"

Unpacking the "not all bad" statement on religion

NO EXCUSE FOR SAYING THAT A RELIGION IS ALWAYS PURE GOODNESS

WHY IT IS WORST WHEN IT IS A RELIGIOUS ENTITY THAT IS BAD

REFUTING "THEY LIE THAT THEY KILL FOR THE RELIGION FOR THEY DON'T OBSERVE IT"

RELIGION HAS NO JUSTIFIED EXISTENCE

RELIGION IS INHERENTLY VIOLENT

RELIGION WHEN SAID TO BE VIOLENT THOUGH NOT INHERENTLY VIOLENT

RELIGION HAS A PART IN THE ACTS OF INDIVIDUALS FOR IT PROVIDES NO SOLUTIONS FOR EVIL 

MYTHS ABOUT TERRORISM

PASSIVE PROMOTION OF RELIGIOUS DOCTRINE AND SOCIAL CONSTRUCTS IS THE TOP WAY TO PROMOTE RELIGION AS OPPRESSOR

SOME CALL RELIGION GOODNESS SO THAT THEY CAN DENY VIOLENCE AND LIES CAN BE LINKED TO IT

SOME RELIGIONS AFFIRM THAT "NOT ALL BAD" IS AN EXCUSE FOR FAITH VIOLENCE

ENABLING VIOLENCE -  CHRISTIANS SAYING, "THE TERRORISTS ARE NOT CHRISTIAN AT ALL"

WHEN A RELIGION PRODUCES A TERRORIST AND SAYS "NOT IN OUR NAME!"

WHEN RELIGION PRODUCES "SILENT" TERRORISM

REMOVING FEAR OF DEATH OR THE ENEMY DRIVES RELIGIOUS TERRORISM

LOOK AT A RELIGION'S PAST AND YOU WILL SEE HOW MUCH EVIL IS IN ITS DNA!

Theology of the Inquisition, it had to happen

Theoterrorism - all religion has this trait

RELIGION CAN BE NON-VIOLENT AND STILL VIOLENT IN SPIRIT

IS THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS HARDWIRED INTO US? IS IT A TENDENCY WE ALWAYS HAVE?

VIOLENT HISTORY MAKES A CURRENTLY OKAY RELIGION STILL BAD

INVOLVEMENT WITH A WRONG RELIGION OR A CON ONE IS INEXCUSABLE

MODERATE RELIGION IS COSMETIC

FIELDS OF BLOOD BY KAREN ARMSTRONG

RELIGION - EXCUSE FOR VIOLENCE OR NOT?

HOW SECULARISM RESTRAINS RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE

RELIGION IN SOME WAY BLAMES HUMANIST OPTIMISTS FOR WHAT BAD HUMANISTS DO

"Religion is good" - a pathetically stupid statement

RELIGION TAKES YOU TO WAR BIT BY BIT

RELIGION SETS THE STAGE FOR VIOLENCE

RELIGION'S ROLE IN CIVIL WAR

RELIGION STARTS WARS

RELIGION WARMONGERS IN A SUBTLE CRAFTY WAY

RELIGION HAS ITS DEFENDERS IN AND OUT WHO CONDONE ITS WARMONGERING

RELIGION CAN MOTIVATE CRIME

RELIGION CAN'T OPPOSE FORCED CONVERSION

RELIGION CAUSES VIOLENCE

Is Dawkins wrong on religious being inherently open to violence?

When Christians revere the stoning texts of the Bible

RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE ANALYSIS

RELIGION AND FORCED CONVERSION FORCED TO BELIEVE ANYWAY

RELIGION AND ITS SOCIOPATH SIDE

RELIGION AND KILLING THOSE WHO WON'T CONVERT

RELIGION AND PERSECUTING ATHEISTS

RELIGION IN THE LIGHT OF HATE LAW

Overview of the violent commands of the Jewish Law

RELIGION IS A LAMB IN CAPTIVITY AND A LION WHEN UNLEASHED

RELIGION WHEN SEEN AS STEPPING STONE TO PEACE IN DAYS OF RELIGIOUS STRIFE

The ally of the fanatic is worse or as bad

SHARING IN THE EVIL AND LIES OF RELIGION - BEING COMPLICIT

Sharing in the evil of religious faith and the harm it does

TERRORISTS GET A BETTER RELIGIOUS SEND OFF THAN THE POOR!

THE "MY RELIGION WILL CHANGE SOME DAY SO I WONT LEAVE IT" EXCUSE

THE "I STAY IN MY RELIGION FOR LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE I CAN'T/DON'T SIGN UP TO IT 100%"

Tolerance has a bad side

TRUTH SADLY CAN LEAD TO VIOLENCE

USTASHI - WHEN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TRIED TO FORCIBLY CONVERT ORTHODOX AND MUSLIMS

WAR HEROES - HOW RELIGION HONOURS BLOODSHED

"WE ARE ALL SINNERS" USED TO WARM PEOPLE TO RELIGIOUS EVIL

WHAT IF A VIOLENT RELIGION OR FORMERLY VIOLENT RELIGION IS THE MOST CONVINCING?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH BLAMING LEADERS NOT THE RELIGION?

WHY RELIGIOUS CONS GET AWAY WITH IT

Answering I AM STAYING IN THIS BAD RELIGION FOR I COULD BE IN WORSE

Church and intolerance for heresy

Religion's tacit support for IRA speaks louder than the condemnations

Why do people lie that religion is good?

EXTERNAL LINK: MORAL CULPABILITY AND BELIEF IN GOD BY DAVID K JOHNSON