Do we prevent somebody being hurt by superstition or faith by rejecting and challenging those things? 

Is it mistaken to support organised religion in membership or donations?

If people do good because they are human, not because God prompts them then is it right to risk giving God any credit when they alone own their good?

Patrick H
Gormley


SHOULD LGBT PEOPLE REGISTER AS ROMAN CATHOLIC ON CENSUS FORM?
 
LGBT who let themselves be considered members of the Roman Church (Those who call themselves members are worse - but let us ignore them for now) are plugging the Church by supporting it despite its treatment of them. If the Catholic Church is a man-made religion it may contain unjust principles in its standard and unchangeable doctrine. To be in it or to claim to be in it is to be an accomplice. It is failing to take sides properly and to support LGBT people without hypocrisy.
 
Those who condemn gay sex to the extreme extent that the Church does are acting not from settled conviction but from self-loathing. A gay person cannot strive to live out their faith fully without hypocritically betraying themselves.
 
The LGBT "Catholics" imply that the Church is more important than them or their ideas or beliefs. They are sanctioning its opposition to gay rights in that sense. They are being homophobic by default if not conscious intent. They are endorsing that default homophobia. They are paving the way for homophobia as in conscious intent. The thought, "I will stay in the Church to effect change" is ignoring the fact that the Roman Church denies it can commit serious error and it says that Jesus promised the Church would never fall into grave error. There are too many religions that prove themselves manmade by changing doctrines - the Catholic Church will not want to become one of them. Nobody should want to be in a manmade religion and one that has to correct important doctrine is definitely manmade.
 
LGBT "UNBELIEVING" AND "CHERRYPICKING" CATHOLICS OPPOSE LGBT RIGHTS BY STAYING IN ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AND BY TICKING CENSUS FORM THAT THEY ARE ROMAN CATHOLIC BECAUSE THEIR DISOBEDIENCE MAKES THEM LOOK LIKE BRATS AND DISHONEST AND THEIR DISSIDENT VIEWS ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THEIR CHURCH. THEY ARE ONLY OPINIONS. THEY LIE THAT THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH ARE MATTERS OF OPINION WHEN IN FACT THE CHURCH CANNOT FUNCTION FOR LONG IF THAT IS ALL THEY ARE. THE TEACHINGS ARE NOT MATTERS OF OPINION JUST AS ACCEPTANCE OF THE KORAN IS NOT A MATTER OF OPINION IN ISLAM. THE CHURCH REQUIRES ACCEPTANCE OF ITS TEACHING BY CATHOLICS EVEN IF THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT. THE CHERRYPICKING AMONG CATHOLICS ONLY HAPPENS IN RELIGION. WHY NOT IN SCIENCE OR GEOGRAPHY OR MATHS OR AT WORK? BECAUSE THE CHERRYPICKER IS A HYPOCRITE AND GETTING AWAY WITH IT IN RELIGION. THE CHERRYPICKER BECOMES A SLAVE TO OPINION AND FASHION AND THUS DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY CAUSES HARDSHIP FOR PEOPLE WITH MORE SENSE. PEOPLE WHO JOIN THE CHURCH BECAUSE OF THE LIBERALS WILL FIND THEY HAVE BEEN LIED TO AND COULD BECOME REAL BELIEVERS AND STERN OPPONENTS OF HOMOSEXUALITY. THE LIARS ARE IN A SENSE SUPPORTING THE HOMOPHOBIA OF THE CHURCH.
 
THE CATHOLIC DISSIDENT WHO PROMOTES FAITH IN THE CHURCH - AND YOU DO THAT MERELY BY EXAMPLE AT LEAST - IS REALLY GIVING OUT THE MESSAGE, "BELIEVE IN MY RELIGION. MY RELIGION IS GOOD AND ATTRACTIVE. MY VIEWS ABOUT LGBT RIGHTS ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF IT. DO NOT BELIEVE A HYPOCRITE LIKE ME THAT YOU CAN BE A GOOD CATHOLIC AND LIVE A LGBT LIFESTYLE." THAT IS PROMOTING THE CHURCH AND ITS HOMOPHOBIA FAR BETTER THAN ORTHODOX BELIEF WOULD DO IT. IT DOES FAR MORE TO RUIN CREDIBILITY FOR THE LGBT CAUSE THAN ANY CONDEMNATION OF THE CAUSE BY THE CHURCH.
 
THE LGBT PERSON WHO STAYS IN THE CHURCH IS SAYING, "I PROMOTE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. I DISAGREE WITH IT ABOUT LGBT RIGHTS. THAT IS MY INTERPRETATION." A RELIGION IS A SYSTEM OF INTERPRETATION. PEOPLE WILL SAY, "ITS ONLY YOUR INTERPRETATION SO WHY SHOULD I PREFER IT TO THE CHURCH'S INTERPRETATION?" THE LGBT PERSON IS ACTUALLY INDIRECTLY ATTACKING LGBT RIGHTS AND IS COMPLICIT ESPECIALLY IF HE OR SHE LETS THE CHURCH GET AWAY WITH ITS CONDEMNATIONS OF THE SIN OF LGBT-ISM. THE LGBT PERSON WHO SPEAKS UP FOR LGBT RIGHTS IS NOT SPEAKING AS A CATHOLIC FOR HIS OR HER AUTHORITY IS SOCIETY, THE MEDIA AND MODERN "MORAL" TRENDS AND NOT THE CHURCH. YOU CANNOT SUPPORT THE CASE FOR JOSEPH SMITH BEING A FRAUD AND BE SPEAKING AS A MORMON. SAME THING. PRIESTS AND LGBT "CATHOLICS" ARE STILL DECLARING THEMSELVES FOOT-SOLDIERS FOR A HARMFUL RELIGIOUS REGIME NO MATTER HOW NICE THEY MAY SEEM TO BE.
 
THE CATHOLIC BELIEVES THE CHURCH SHOULD BE ONE IN FAITH. THE LGBT WHO WANTS THE CHURCH TO ACCEPT LGBT RIGHTS IS ONLY SENDING THE MESSAGE THAT THIS ONENESS IS WRONG AND WANTS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TO BE LIKE PROTESTANTISM WITH ALL THE RELIGIOUS CONFUSION AND BREAKING UP INTO SQUABBLING SECTS.
 
THE LGBT WHO JOINS THE CHURCH OR STAYS IN IT, HAS BOUND HERSELF OR HIMSELF BY ACCEPTING BAPTISM AND CONFIRMATION - WHICH CONFER MEMBERSHIP - TO OBEY THE RELIGION. HER OR HIS SUPPORT FOR LGBT RIGHTS THEN SHOULD FALL ON DEAF EARS.
 
ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS AND CAN BE THE OFFICIAL SPOKESPERSON FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. A PERSON WHO STANDS FOR RIGHTS OPPOSED BY THE CHURCH IS A BAD CATHOLIC. HE ANNULS THE GOOD HE TRIES TO DO BY BEING A BAD CATHOLIC. ALL HYPOCRITES CLAIM TO BE GOOD CATHOLICS. IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE CAUSE YOU WILL AVOID THE HYPOCRISY TAG ESPECIALLY WHEN ITS AVOIDABLE. YOU ONLY WRECK THE CREDIBILITY OF YOUR STANCE FOR GAY RIGHTS BY COMING ACROSS AS DISHONEST AND A HYPOCRITE. IT PUTS PEOPLE OFF.
 
DISSIDENTS BRING ATTENTION TO CHURCH TEACHING WHICH MAKES MANY CONVERT TO BELIEF IN IT EITHER THROUGH HEARING THE ARGUMENTS OF THE CHURCH OR SIMPLY TAKING IT ON TRUST BASED ON THE IDEA THAT JESUS LEFT HIS AUTHORITY WITH THE CHURCH. NOBODY WANTS TO JOIN A CHURCH THEY WON'T ACCEPT PROPERLY. THEY MAY THINK THEY WANT IT BUT THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS WANTING IT.
 
PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXPECT THOSE WHO CLAIM TO BE CATHOLIC BELIEVERS TO BELIEVE WHAT CATHOLICS BELIEVE.
 
PEOPLE LIKE MATT (MORE ABOUT HIM BELOW!) DO NOT HAVE THE ACADEMIC AND THEOLOGICAL QUALIFICATIONS TO DISPUTE CHURCH TEACHING AND EVEN IF THEY DID CHURCH LAW IS CLEAR THAT THE DISSIDENT IS NOT A FRIEND OF THE CHURCH.
 
THE CHURCH IS HOMOPHOBIC IN PRINCIPLE - AND THAT IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. THE NICENESS OF MANY PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE IN THE CHURCH HAS NO BEARING ON THIS. IF THE PRINCIPLE IS BAD, THEN HAVE THE PRINCIPLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND DEPART THE CHURCH. PLUS ITS UP TO GOD APPLYING THE PRINCIPLES TO DECIDE IF YOU ARE A REAL CATHOLIC OR A GOOD CATHOLIC NOT YOU. OR THE EXPERTS. THE LIKES OF MATT THINK ITS UP TO THEM. IF YOU HAVE TO LIE LIKE MATT (MORE ABOUT HIM LATER) THAT YOU CAN BE A GOOD CATHOLIC AND A PRACTICING HOMOSEXUAL THEN YOU SHOULD EITHER TOE THE CATHOLIC LINE OR FIND A FAITH THAT AGREES WITH YOU AND THAT YOU AGREE WITH. PERIOD!
 
IF EQUALITY IS YOUR CHIEF DOCTRINE, THEN THERE IS NO NEED FOR CARING IF PEOPLE FOLLOW A RELIGION OR NOT. ALL THAT MATTERS IS PROMOTING EQUALITY. RELIGION IS BASED ON THE REJECTION OF EQUALITY - FOR EXAMPLE AN UNINTELLIGENT POPE IS REGARDED AS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE GENIUS FATHER TRENDY. THAT YOU PICKED UP THE PEN SHOWS YOU SUPPORT THE INEQUALITY ADVOCATED AND SUSTAINED BY CATHOLICISM AND THUS YOU OPPOSE THE VERY ROCK THAT LGBT RIGHTS STANDS ON - EQUALITY!
 
OUR PRESENCE IN A FALSE RELIGIOUS SYSTEM OR A RELIGION THAT IS NOT INFALLIBLE THOUGH IT CLAIMS IT IS GIVES IT CREDIBILITY. PERIOD.