Do we prevent somebody being hurt by superstition or faith by rejecting and challenging those things? 

Is it mistaken to support organised religion in membership or donations?

If people do good because they are human, not because God prompts them then is it right to risk giving God any credit when they alone own their good?

Patrick H


Hitler was a man who took solace in religious faith - a faith that he understood as Catholic.  Catholics ignore that.  Some go on as if as long as he were not Jesus or pope or a priest that he does not reflect on the religion!  But even if he were that would not change their minds about the religion's role in his evil.  And besides what he was is immaterial for the Church says that if Hitler was a Catholic then he enjoyed equality as a member of the faith with the pope.


Hitler believed totally in the power of relics of Jesus.  He was obsessed with getting the spear that Jesus was stabbed with thinking he would get divine blessing and power from it.  Johannes Stein documented that.  It gave Hitler a "total eclipse of self-consciousness". This seems to describe the ecstasy reported by very religious people such as Joan of Arc.

With the Nazis, we must not talk too much about how extremely committed to obedience they were. The real problem was how proud they were of their status and power and responsibilities. The pride in their actions is hard to fathom for they were laden with blood and ugliness and hate. It can only be explained by a sense that they were working out God’s plan or some plan for the greater good.

Why does nobody who wants to be evil leaving the Church to be evil?  Why is the Church letting that happen?  Why is Church law considering and treating Hitler as Catholic?  The Church applies law to the likes of Hitler and by law says it will do that against their will.  A religion that tries to applies law to you that you do not recognise is clearly to be blamed for your sins if you are still a member or if it says you are one.  Roman Catholicism and Hitler are both to blame.  If a religion is about making goodness then it is more than a man is for man is both good and bad. Thus the religion is to blame if disaster follows.  Thus the religion is to be blamed as much as the member who does evil - its disapproval means nothing. 

Here is a good quote from a top psychiatrist, “We do not know whether Hitler is going to found a new Islam. He is already on the way; he is like Muhammad. The emotion in Germany is Islamic; warlike and Islamic.” (Carl Gustav Jung, "Symbolic Life: Miscellaneous Writings (Volume 18 of The Collected Works of C. G. Jung)," Routledge, 1977).


Predictably religious supporters contest that.  Christian Dinesh D’Souza says, “A Jew could not escape Auschwitz by pleading, ‘I no longer practice Judaism,’ ‘I am an atheist,’ or ‘I have converted to Christianity.’ This mattered nothing to Hitler because he believed the Jews were inferior racial stock. His anti-Semitism was secular.”

When believers blame belief in natural selection and evolution for Hitler's racism, they never say if they mean divinely guided versions or atheistic naturalistic ones. Hitler's racism was more than just ethnic. Jews don't seem or look different from Hitler's own race. And why single them out for the worst and most intensive treatment? Making out this was about racism and not religious anti-Semitism is itself anti-Semitic. Racism was obviously only a little bit of it and was really just to bolster Hitler's hatred of Jews that he learned from his Christian cradle.


James Waller wrote that instead of blaming Hitler and others for the Nazi Holocaust we need to remember that the ordinary people helped them carry it out and enabled it. Ordinary people can be as bad as sociopaths. You can be nice and kind and charming and still go and empower somebody to murder babies.  That the people were raised by and on Christianity must be allowed to say something though we may not be clear exactly what except that it is bad.
Hitler and Stalin are put forward as examples of the evil that can take place if an atheist rises to power. It is not admitted however that Hitler was devout in his own way to the end and that both he and Stalin recognised religious freedom and secular values but did not live up to them.

Hitler did not kill anybody. His words and writings did.  Hitler only needed words to kill with. He did not even need to try to kill. The words did the work for him. Why do words dehumanise others so easily and quickly? Why do they make it so hard to see the damage and the harm that is coming until it is too late?

The word is powerful. Ideology is codified only in a book or books. Books alone spread it with the assistance of people. The people spread the book rather than the book spreading the people. That is why even just out of respect there is no right to honour pages of blood in scriptures that command evil or which praise a God who takes life.  The written word seems so powerful probably because all the surviving world religions are word based and scripture based.  It turns books into gods.  That makes a ripple that extends to all ideological works.  


The Hitler approved SS magazine statement from 1939 goes, “Harping on and on that God died on the cross out of pity for the weak, the sick and sinners, Christians then demand that the genetically diseased be kept alive in the name of a doctrine of pity that goes against nature, and of a misconceived notion of humanity.” It looks as if this is a rejection of Christianity. But at the time Christians tended to see nature as God’s book so the statements that care for the sick is against nature are saying that God does not want you to think about them but to see them as a hindrance and nuisance. The statement blames Christians rather than Christianity as such.  The statement sees the term sinners as an insult and an accusation of weakness so the Nazis saw themselves as saints and divinely guided.  They were the ones who were going to deal with sinners.

The 1920 book, My New Order by Adolf Hitler long before he could imagine any chance at changing Germany never mind controlling it shows how he felt inspired by the Bible story of Jesus vandalising the Jewish Temple (unsurprisingly). "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.  In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison! Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross."  This is a man who is confident that the flock tend to follow religion to some degree or another regardless of how evil or deceitful it is and especially when the target of hate and violence is another religion or a group of heretics.


Did Christianity give Hitler an excuse to persecute Jews?  If it did it is still to blame for what he did for it is wrong to give the corrupt an excuse.


"Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ... years."
- Adolf Hitler as quoted in The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872.

Germany at the time was influenced by liberal Christians who disparaged the Jewish faith and people and what happened at Hitler's hand is a warning to those who equate liberal religion with tolerance and love.  It was rife before Hitler became a household name!  Hitler showed no sign of deliberately using religion to do evil with it.  It looks like he took it for granted that he really was Christian and believing what Jesus wanted.  Everybody agrees that ideology that forbids anybody to debate it or say it is wrong is the root of all violence.  The problem is that once you give your right to think it can mean you will be good or you will be dangerous.  It does not change the fact that you are making yourself blind and that is bad.  It is only chance that stops you killing which is why even if you are good you are still bad at core.  Your blindness is bad and you are bad.  That is why it can lead to violence.  If it can but doesn't that does not make it in any way praiseworthy.


Hitler knew that faith and Jesus can function as placebos or sedatives when you are trying to become a violent person because of your faith or for your faith.  Because of your faith means you kill and maim and use the faith to feel okay about it.  For your faith is just obeying the feeling that it is your vocation to kill and maim and obey your religion's violent commands be they implicit or explicit.

Monstrous tyrants could have been murdered by anyone for they had thousands of enemies. Yet there are cases such as Hitler where remarkable coincidences saved them. They say, “God looked after me”. They say that for they realise nothing can change the past and how you were safe in it. It is easy for them to say now that God was guarding them then. They will not be as reckless tomorrow as in the past which proves the point. Thus they have a faith response that will lead to them being safer and more careful and wiser. Faith empowers them to kill more and more. In their pride, they think God must wish to defend them while he does nothing for their next victim.
Hitler after surviving a bomb attack which was down to Stauffenberg said, "I regard this as confirmation of the task imposed on me by Providence." He goes as far as to say that it is not God giving him the job so much as God forcing him to do it. That is very strong and a pure assertion of pure faith. It has to be admitted that the amount of coincidences that were in Hitler's favour were truly astounding. He simply should not have ended up with all the power he got. The Bible teaches that rulers are put in place by God and Jesus even told Pilate that he would not be on trial before him only God had set it up. See John 19:10, 11. “Do you refuse to speak to me?” Pilate said. “Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?” Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”

Hitler is not the reason faith and Jesus were so successful in setting up the Nazi regime.  The people who saw, like him, that they have the power to override decency were.


Those who think about, "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil – that takes religion" will observe that religion and faith are the greatest evils of all when they can get the good to do evil in the name of good.  Also we learn that you don't need religion to be good so if anybody in your religion is violent in the name of faith then stop supporting the religion.  Wash its label off.  Remember a religion can endorse violence tacitly or implicitly and that is worse than it commanding it outright.  You cannot stay in case it is a master of disguise and it will be bigger and stronger than you.  It will corrupt you by osmosis. Those who allege that the saying is wrong still agree that an unquestioned ideology can lead to violence.  So they would have to say that anything including religion can lead to violence when it controls minds.  Indeed the control is violent in principle never mind any violent acts.  So the critics might agree with, "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil – that sometimes takes religion."  Would they have a problem if the saying was, "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil – that takes politics or atheism"?  No.  They are only objecting when it is religion that is said to corrupt.  In fact to deny that religion turns good people cruel is to blame some other social entity!  They blame society in some way but as religion is a part of society and a society that makes no sense.  Religious bigots have always tried to fan the flames of religious trouble by deflecting from the real causes.  They protect religion's evil and strangely you can be a bigot who protects bad religion without being a member of the religion!  They want you to oppress forces that turn good people into killers but if religion is one of those forces they want it to get a free pass!
Religion lies that Hitler was an atheist. There is no evidence of atheism. Christianity tries to avoid the blame for the Holocaust of the Jews. But the truth is Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf, "In defending myself against the Jews, I am doing the Lord's work". In Vienna in 1938, Hitler declared after the Anschluss, "I believe that it was God's will that from here a boy was sent into the Reich and that he grew up to become leader of the nation".
The Christian leaders and spokespersons who knew Hitler during his reign of evil had extremely strong convictions as to his role as a Christian and semi-Messiah. No other tyrant ever got such adulation.
Hans Frank, Governor General of Poland, "Hitler has received his authority from God. Therefore he is a champion sent by God".
Hans Kerryl Church Leader: "A new authority has arisen as to what Christ and Christianity really are: Adolf Hitler. Hitler is the true Holy Ghost".

Thuringian Church warden: "Christ has come to us through Adolf Hitler".
Hitler Youth Leader, Baldur Von Shirach: "He who serves Germany serves God and he who serves God serves Germany."
Rhenish Group Christians: "Hitler's word is God's law, the decrees and laws which represent it possess divine authority." From the Spoil of Europe.


On man being a creature of peace and not a being trying to get the better of what is around him, Hitler wrote, “A lopsided education has helped to encourage that illusion. Man must realize that a fundamental law of necessity reigns throughout the whole realm of Nature and that his existence is subject to the law of eternal struggle and strife. He will then feel that there cannot be a separate law for mankind in a world in which planets and suns follow their orbits, where moons and planets trace their destined paths, where the strong are always the masters of the weak and where those subject to such laws must obey them or be destroyed.” Hitler believed God started this law and goes as far as to say it is eternal.  Even after death if we live on we will be fighting and trying to outdo each other just for the sake of survival.

People go to war not chiefly for material benefits for themselves or any benefits but to satisfy their sense of loyalty to the leader of the country. After all what is the point of fighting for benefits when your leadership will not distribute them to you?  It is ultimately about trust in the leaders and be default that means the leader is to be trusted to ignore the plights of other nations and peoples and live by charity begins at home.  Religion is a personality cult. Christianity is based on Jesus and Islam on Mohammed and so on. Atheists don't carry on like that so atheism should lead to less war than religion.
The Church says that Joseph Stalin the monster was an atheist and blames the blood on his hands on atheism. He ran a Communist atheistic regime. But read the 1936 Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. It was the law of Stalin's USSR. It guaranteed freedom of speech, of assembly, of meetings and street processions. It guaranteed the rights of the citizen. It specified that arbitrary arrest was forbidden and that his or her home or correspondence was his business and should not be invaded by the state. Atheism taught this. Stalin and the secret police violated it at every turn. Therefore what they did was the violation of atheism. Atheism cannot be blamed.


One wonders why Stalin needs so much condemnation when even the Christian women of his nation aborted babies the same as the communist sisterhood did.  Most babies in the womb were aborted.
Stalin facilitated and protected many churches and the religious communities relevant to them. There was mutual co-operation. He did not then hate religion in itself. He hated it only when it contradicted him. He obviously perceived that religion and murder and genocide are indeed compatible. And so did the Christians who collaborated with him!
Hitler and Stalin did not scheme and kill in a bubble. They were part of a machine and the machine included religious people and the Church.

Christianity's refusal to take any of the blame for what these men did should be right up there with Holocaust Denial.

Mugabe, Nguema, Chiluba, Bokassa, Mobutu, Taylor and many other revolting dictators, past and present, were or are Christians. Some of them have been wined and dined by popes without any criticism of their bloodletting. Actions speak louder than words, dear Church. Nelson Mandela the greatest human being of all time was liberal about abortion and same-sex marriage and though he did say the Church helped him become what he was he did not attribute this to the Church as religion but to the Church as people. And helped is a very ambiguous word. He may only have been referring to the people in the Church who loved justice despite their religious errors. Mandela however cannot be counted much of a follower of Jesus - if at all - for he rejected Jesus' religiosity and fanaticism and arrogance. He divorced and remarried twice against the Bible.
There have been more religious monsters than non-religious. The atheist monsters did not kill because of their atheism. The attempts by religion to label blooddrinking dictators as atheists is an insult to their victims and incitement to hatred or potential hatred against atheists. It denies that religion often keeps the atheist monsters in power. Hitler had the support of Catholic and Protestant leaders in Germany even as he tried to liquidate the Jews.



The following is a review of Hitler's Christianity by Christian theologian JP Holding.


It  argues that suggestions that Hitler was not a sincere supporter of Christianity but was paying lip service for a political advantage, or was a proper Christian or was in fact an occultist are wrong.


JP Holding rejects the notion that Hitler was a secret atheist or an occultist (the evidence that “he was an occultist is based on non-scholarly sources of no evidential value) or an orthodox Christian. He imputes Hitler with a heresy called positive Christianity.  Hitler used the term but not as a religious label as Holding says.  Yet Holding writes, "Positive Christianity was the professed faith of many Nazi leaders."  Hitler may have made a mess of theology but his intention was to be an orthodox Christian and to appeal to other orthodox Christians and the Churches to be on his side against the Jews. He simply selected what suited him from Christianity. And all Christians do that for nobody can learn or practice it all. Steigmann-Gall is quoted as pointing out that Hitler had nothing good to say about paganism and is quoted as saying that positive Christianity did not refer to a system of religion or theology to which a person might be invited to convert.


Holding also wants us to think that Hitler had his own brand of Christianity called positive Christianity. That is nonsense – positive Christianity meant orthodox Christianity but Holding wants you to see it as a label for a new religion. It was a description not a religious label.  Hitler in fact did not try to found a new Christianity. He just distorted the old one from an anti-Semitic entity and force into a bigger and more virulently anti-Semitic one.  His theology did not result in new Churches but spoke to the existing Churches.  They were involved in it more than he was for they were the theological and social powers and Hitler was not a theologian - he needed them to supply him with his religious expertise.


In the thirties, Holding reminds us that Hitler, speaking for himself and the Nazi regime, said that they "regard Christianity as the foundation of our national morality."  And Holding mentions how in 1933, during a Reichstag speech, that Hitler vowed that there would be no interference with the Churches and their "due influence" in education would be preserved.  He clearly noticed that Christianity is about things other than faith and love which is why he did not fear it.  He noticed it is a pile of holy hot air.


It is clear that the Nazis recognised Jesus Christ as God.  Stressing Jesus as an anti-Jewish God worked well in their scheme.


Holding at least would admit that whatever kind of Christianity Hitler promoted it proves that faith in religion can distort and suppress the truth.  For example, his Jesus was excised of any Jewish connections.  Religion is based on faith and we all see dangers in faith and have met people with harmful faith but it can happen that faith itself can hurt the religion.  If you lie down with dogs -


In 1926, Hitler gave the Nazi party the goal of doing Christian action. It seems he was more concerned about that than Christian belief.


Holding points out how Goebbels was expelled from the Church for marrying a divorced woman!  He did not get even a slap on the wrist from the Church for his belief in the right he had to eliminate Jews cruelly.

Hitler loved Romans 13 for it said that God puts all governments in place and Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber wrote as follows to Hitler “As supreme head of the German Reich you are, for us, the authority willed by God, the legal superior, to whom we owe reverence and obedience.”


Holding argues that anti-semitism until the Nazis was religious but the Nazis based it on racist grounds and used fake science to support their prejudices.
Holding observes that nude and gay theatre and porn began to get popular in the 20s but the Nazis suppressed these things harshly. That won them Christian acclaim.


It does not matter what grounds the Nazis based their racism on, the theological racism of the Christian faith paved the way for them and they joined forces with such racism.  For the Nazis all truth came from God which means that their use of racist science fits the idea of it also being an exercise in religious faith.  Religion is not a bubble.  And Holding overlooks the fact that religion and Jesus and the Christian faith were endorsed as racist by the Nazis.  The Nazis simply took Christianity's anti-semitism a step further.


Holding mentions a group called German Christians and ended up with a quarter or even a third of the Protestant Church membership.  He estimates it could have had 15 million Germans involved in it.  In the 1930's, it started to get top influence in most theology departments in Germany.  One of its preachers, Reinhold Krause attacked the Old Testament and the apostle Paul.  He even hated the cross of Jesus for he seen it as Jewish!  Some dropped the Old Testament in their services.  Some German Christians according to Holding took a different approach.  They used the Old Testament to denigrate the Jews.  Holding tells us that they cherished the bits that had God condemning the Jewish people.  Holding does not tell us that the violence commanded by God in the Old Testament and how the Jews made it their Bible which reflects badly on them and indeed should was part of the problem.


Holding quotes Bishop Ludwig Mueller, the bishop of the Evangelical Church of Germany, saying in 1934 that rather than Christianity having come from Judaism like a growth it appeared in opposition to it.  "There is no bond between them, rather the sharpest opposition."  The fact of the matter is that for decades after Jesus supposedly died, the place of worship for the Christians was the Jewish synagogue.  They were excommunicated and only then did Christianity start to become a new religion.  The Christians refused to sort things out with the Jews so the Church began as a bigoted sectarian division and created the idea of the Catholic Mass to which all were obliged to attend to on Sundays which erased the obligation to attend synagogue and respect the Judaism that Jesus would have loved and which he died for in the sense that he was trying to reform it but his religious enemies could not tolerate.  So they had him killed.


Holding talks as if the only thing stopping the Nazis from implementing a Christian Holocaust was how unlike the Jews they were too numerous and a tiny minority is easier to destroy.  That is rubbish for the Nazis showed no interest at all in killing Christians.  The Christian faith's opposition to Judaism was the reason it was not in the firing line.


Hitler Youth seems to have developed an anti-Christian strain to the degree that members were told to see the clergy as traitors to their nation and the Christian heritage they had been raised in as bad.  But that is more about political conflicts than religious ones.  It does not prove that the Nazis were against Christianity as a religion.   Holding confesses that Catholic Youth organisations grew under the Nazis which incredibly limited their activities to religious ones!  Holding gives away a lot here.  The Nazis plainly saw Christianity as no threat to their bigotry.  No wonder Holding is able to tell us that the Catholic Church in Germany made a "constant affirmation of loyalty to the regime."


Holding states that the Nazi military wore belts reading God be with us and wore the cross.  He says the military in Germany before their time did the same thing so they only carried on the tradition.  But realising it was more than that he tries to make out that under the positive Christian heresy God and the cross did not mean truly Christian things!  The fact remains that most wearing these things would have taken the traditional view.  There is no test to see how many of these men believed the positive Christianity thing.  These people were baptised as well meaning that as long as they intended to be Christian, no matter how warped their religious ideas were, they are to be classed as Christian.  Holding dismisses what Hitler said in 1941, "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."  He argues that Hitler did not profess a Catholic faith and that it is not usual for heretics and cultists and charlatans to call themselves mainstream believers.


Hitler said that the German state, “must declare unfit for propagation all who are in any way visibly sick or who have inherited a disease and therefore can pass it on.” (It is not realised by believers that Jesus must have had the same attitude if he thought sickness warranted him changing nature to instantly curing the people.)  This scientific racism and Darwinist outlook had no effect until he combined it with Christian anti-Semitism.


Holding concludes, “It is not even remotely possible to blame authentic Christian faith for the horrors of Nazi Germany. If anything, the conditions demonstrate that it is only because of a weakened and undermined Christianity that such horrors were permitted, and not acted against by the confessing churches of mainstream Christianity.”


What about the aftermath of World War 2?  Let Austin Cline tell us.  "After the war, the Allies tried to rely on Catholic clergy to help them in their program of de-Nazification of the government. That was a mistake — Catholic assistance to the Nazis hadn't ended when the Nazis surrendered. Catholic bishops realized that eliminating all Nazis would leave Communists and Social Democrats in charge and they concluded that that would be worse than having the Nazis in power — so they basically lied to the Allies. Unrepentant Nazis were returned to positions of authority over the German people because Catholic clergy gave them a clean bill of political and ideological health."  The Church believes that half-hearted repentance is enough to get God's pardon in confession so this amounts to condoning evil while trying to keep the aroma of roses.  Confession was at the heart of the Nazi problem which stands to reason when they had loads of Catholic chaplains!



It is callous to argue that if Hitler say killed more people than Christianity then Christianity should be considered for obeying and following. Why? Its about the principle not the body count. And both Hitler and Christianity murdered simply because they did not respect human life.

In 1944 Hitler said, “I may not be a light of the Church, a pulpiteer, but deep down I am a pious man, and believe that whoever fights bravely in defense of the natural laws framed by God and never capitulates will never be deserted by the lawgiver, but will, in the end receive the blessings of Providence."  Catholic must leave their Church for its role in what happened to the Jews under the Nazis.  And as it happened once it will happen again.  It indeed has.  Think of the role of priests and nuns in the 1994 Rwanda genocide.  The pope never apologised for their role but ignored it.