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ETERNAL PUNISHING IS A DOCTRINE OF HATE

The Christian tradition says that if you die in serious sin or at loggerheads with God you will lose him forever at death and have to go to Hell.

Why do Atheists consider the doctrine of Hell to be grossly evil and spiteful?

1) Because it asks me to approve if I am sent to Hell forever for my sins though I would still be more sure I existed than that God existed. God cannot then expect me to approve. Since Hell is supposed to be opposition to the love of God it follows that I have to approve of God but reject him to go there. If I shouldnít approve then only an evil God would approve of a system like eternal damnation. The doctrine implies that goodness is hating the self and rebelling against it and trying to destroy it.

I would need to be a very holy person before I could claim the right to believe that bad people go to Hell. It is just like you cannot judge your neighbour as a whore even if she is worse than you if you occasionally sell yourself for sex. There would be an obvious element of vindictiveness in doing that.  Just imagine the level of vindictiveness and evil there would have to be in you to judge somebody as being in danger of Hell? And Christianity is all about making this judgment for if you donít see people as in danger of Hell you will end up letting them go there. Better to upset them now and give them a chance to save themselves than to let them go to the place of everlasting torment.

The Church says we should try to save people from Hell by expressing the gospel to them. But if they deserve it why should we care? To save somebody from what they deserve or have asked for is to declare that their decision to deserve should no longer be respected and so their personhood shouldn't be respected. It is to say that deserving doesn't matter and therefore that morality which is based on the ideas of justice and deserving is nonsense. If we should save people who deserve Hell from what they deserve, then we should fight every step of the way to stop criminals being fined and or going to jail for they do less damage.
Contradictions contradictions galore in the Christian faith! The help of Christians then is sour. They give you rotten meat and marinate it in perfume to disguise the stink.

2) Because it implies that God and the saints cannot want you to be released from Hell for God keeps you there for you would leave eventually if you were there of your own free will which glorifies hatred. They donít want you to leave then they either do not care about you or they hate you but since they are happy they must simply not care for hate is painful. But indifference is worse than hate and is the real opposite of love. Also, they have to decide to be indifferent and that is an act of easy hate so hate and indifference are connected. If you should hate the damned you should hate the living sinners as much because many of the damned are people who committed relatively harmless sins.

3) Because you need a vast pile of evidence before you can say anybody deserves to rot in Hell forever for that is such a serious punishment. The evidence would need to be better than the evidence that JF Kennedy was shot. The case for Islam and Christianity which both believe in Hell is not that strong Ė and non-existent from a philosophical point of view. To say that God even if he is all-good which we cannot be totally sure of has the right to damn people forever is to make nonsense of all we know of right and wrong for you need to know why he does it and prove that that his reason is plausible but no explanation is possible. If God can be good and do that then he can be good and command the murder of heretics. It is a serious slander to say that anybody could be that bad that they would choose an eternity of misery. God must do something to the damned to make sure they donít repent. He must cut off good influences from them. All that whitewash about people going to Hell against the will of poor helpless God is nonsense and is so common and obviously ridiculous that it casts doubt on the integrity of Christian teachers.

4) Because if God needs a Hell for a purpose then that purpose has to do with us not him for he is all-powerful, in other words, we make it impossible for Hell to be done without. But in that case he can create an illusionary Hell. It would not be lying for he has no choice. He supports lies by not refuting them on earth so he can promote what is not true.

5) Catholics say that Protestants who hold that Catholics are going to Hell are bigots and being very uncharitable. Very isn't the right word. They are being totally uncharitable. If that is bigotry, then what is it to look upon a dying person and think they might or probably will go to Hell? The Catholics actually admit - albeit indirectly - that Hell is a vindictive doctrine.

6) Because Hell, and the teaching that Hell exists, is useless for it cannot deter us from sin.

Though it may scare us off doing bad things it does not stop us from having the attitude that if there were no Hell we would go ahead and do the bad actions. In other words, it fails to stop attachment and the will to commit sin. Such attachment is sinful.

7) Because the modern attempts to justify Hell hold that the souls there are not being tormented as much as possible but according to their sins. But they would have to be tormented to the extreme for all sin is equal if there is a God. To offend a God who deserves infinite kindness from you is an infinite insult. It is not the tormenting in Hell that is most terrible but the forever aspect and so why would a God who damns forever not torment you to the extreme forever? If he gets scrupulous then he should close Hell down altogether.

8) Because the doctrines of venial sin and salvation from sin enforce the hatred that emerges from the Hell doctrine. To say you have venial sin for which you donít deserve to go to Hell is the height of self-righteousness because you intended to offer God an infinite insult knowing how much he hates sin and then you say other people deserve Hell for doing much the same thing and that they should be there if God wills. The if God wills clause implies that if God can damn them without damaging his plan he should damn them. If you believe that Jesus has saved you so that you will get away with your sins and other people will pay for theirs for not being saved then it is your reasoning and your feelings that tell you that. You are still being arrogant for it is not the promise of God that you are depending on as you would like to boast but your own thinking and feeling Ė your self-made perception. Since God says one error in a prophets teaching is enough to prove he was from Satan (Deuteronomy 18) it follows that to have real faith in Jesus you have to have a photographic memory and a complete knowledge of theology, Christian history and philosophy. So nearly all Christians canít know if they are really saved and they are just hoping they are and that those who disagree with them will rot in Hell forever. There is no philosophical evidence in favour of the Christian faith so its wishful thinking at its cruellest and when a person chooses to hope that the damned will suffer eternally as well as that the just will have eternal life instead of hoping that everybody will be saved one day it gives a real insight into the dark nature of that person.

9) Because it is blasphemous to say that God would send anybody to Hell forever without having evidence that he does. And even if it is to please the likes of Jesus Christ it is still blasphemy. The less evidence one has, the worse the blasphemy. And the Church claims to have strong evidence and still it expects the people to do with very little. Itís an evil faith that does such a thing!

It is insulting and slanderous to say that a man murdered his baby for a good reason without evidence. If God comes first then you need absolutely perfect evidence and proof that God sends people to Hell for he is so important. You need more evidence for him doing this than you would for the guilt of the man.

10) Because when evil is just mistaking what is not good for good how can anybody possibly commit a sin that deserves Hell? Hell has no good in it at all and we are expected to believe that a person could be so evil that they would choose it. The Church explains that it is indeed the ultimate in insanity to choose Hell but the damned choose to be insane. But then if you are insane you need treatment not punishment and certainly not everlasting punishing from which there is no escape.

11) Because the Atheist system shows that all evildoing is caused by fear. Hell is therefore an evil doctrine for it incites fear for yourself and fear for others going there. The Hell doctrine is designed to corrupt and suck people into the pits of Hell and to say Hell exists amounts to saying, ďI hate your guts!Ē

12) Because to say that a person can go to Hell and it is their own free choice to do it and be away from God forever is to say that anybody can be forced to sin.

It contradicts the Hell believers own assertion that the person who says they were forced to steal from their mother is telling the truth if they did it under the threat of serious bodily harm or death if they did not comply. It contradicts their assertion that the person had no choice.

If you can choose Hell the worst thing imaginable, you can choose anything. If you can choose that then you should not be believed if you say you had to say what wasnít true to save your life and you had no choice.
Back to Hell being a choice. If a man says, ďYour money or your lifeĒ, and you choose to keep the money and forgo your life that does not give the man the right to kill you or hurt you. It does in the case of Jesusí evil God so that is discrimination.

You cannot choose Hell when it is so bad. It is something that is impossible for anyone to choose. If you do, then you must have been miraculously forced to choose it. In that case, it was Godís fault not yours.


Nobody really goes to Hell for their sins though the Church says they do. They go to Hell over something they couldnít control, their death. They go because they died in sin not because they sinned. It is not sin that the evil doctrine of Hell makes you fear but death. What greater callousness could there be than to approve when a mortal sinner goes to Hell just for dying while you get rid of your sins and go to Heaven?

What greater slander could there be than to say a person is capable of choosing everlasting rejection of love and others? Human nature is not that bad. Nobody wants to go to Hell. Its slander when it cannot be proven.

The Church says that whoever rejects God or his Church is in fact rejecting a caricature for they are so wonderful and attractive. It follows then that the damned don't make a choice against God at all but against a caricature of him. Whatever a Christian can say, they cannot say that Hell exists because God respects free will and the freedom of a person to reject him. Christians don't believe that Hell is a doctrine that respects free will at all for they are the ones saying that God is never rejected but only a mockery of him is. They use an excuse to justify Hell that they don't believe in - they are a lot more vindictive than they pretend.

13) Because love the sinner and hate the sin is rubbish for if you hate the sin you must of necessity hate the sinner for the sinner is the cause of the sin. Sin is not something you do. Sin is something that reveals YOU. It cannot be distinct from you. You cannot say that you love black people if you think black skin is evil or makes them bad or untrustworthy. The doctrine of eternal punishment makes this hypocrisy lose all control and drives it to its extreme. No greater hate can one have than to approve of a sinner being abandoned in Hell forever.

Believers say that when you choose Hell by your sin, you are saying you are your sin. That is why you reject God totally which is Hell (Ecumenical Jihad (page 45). In other words, when you get honest and admit that to judge the sin is to judge the sinner you are guaranteed damnation for being honest so this realisation must be the greatest sin of all.

14) Because we are all capable of hate and if you donít hate anybody that is leading others into Hell by sin then you donít really believe in Hell or care much about the victims. You are more abnormal and depraved than a psychopathic murderer if you donít care. What makes it even more abnormal is that the Church tells us we are biased towards doing evil. We like evil better so we should be more prone to hating those who draw others into Hell than not. Hate is not a sin if you cannot help it and how could you love anybody that damns souls? Eternal punishing, a beloved dogma of Catholicism, Protestantism and Islam is a doctrine that incites hatred. It proves just how evil Jesus who preached it was. How could you even smile if people are being damned? It would be sick to be happy. The happiness of believers in Hell shows that they are very damaged people.

15) Because Hell implies that retribution is the main component of punishment which is vengeful for there are more important things to consider. Punishment is carried out because you deserve it, because it says society does not approve of your crime, because it deters others and because it is hoped that it will make you a better person. With Hell, all that matters is the retribution. But it is certain that it is better to jail a thief for say one year for all the other reasons but not retribution. There is no need to bring retribution into the equation so its introduction means that the penalty is motivated by revenge and the more importance granted to retribution the more vengeful the penalty is. Hell contradicts the Christian ban on revenge. When you accuse them of being vengeful they respond by saying that revenge is wrong and that they are not. But they have no right to condemn the vengeful as long as they support the Hell doctrine. Indeed their condemning them would itself be vindictive and vengeful under those circumstances. The Hell doctrine underlines the hypocrisy of Christianity and its founders. There is no use in the Church blaming the scriptures for the doctrine for it could eliminate the books that teach it from the canon. Just because they want to use the list of books they have people have to suffer and God has to get a bad name. Sick and sad.

16) Christians today try to avoid the conclusion that Hell is a doctrine of hate by saying that Hell happens only because God respects our free will to abandon him and be abandoned for all eternity. This is a trendy notion and rather untraditional. It contradicts the parable of the prodigal son told by Jesus in which a son finally rejects his father but later changes his mind and is welcomed back. Just because a decision is final doesn't mean it will stay final. It doesn't explain why it is only those who die rejecting God that don't reverse their rejection. A person could reject God finally during life and then at death be softening to him and still go to Hell forever and the Church says it is their free will! How silly! It is a strange kind of free will that allows one to reject God forever many times on earth and then change and go back to him when those who happen to die during a phase in which they want nothing to do with God ever again can't change. Clearly it is not free will that causes Hell but death. Christians are just twisting things about to make their religion look good and kind. It is like an abusive husband beating his wife and saying that the passion of love he feels for her took over his mind and made him do what he didn't really want to do. It is dressing evil up as good.

People who die in sin have to be slandered by Christians. The Christians need to say they ALL turn into stubborn reprobates. Even if some might all wouldn't. It is ridiculous to believe that death would do that to all those people. Few if any could be so bad that they would be beyond hope of changing for the better. You need total proof before you can accuse people of having the power to be that bad. The Christian claim that those who are in Hell have chosen to be there is a lie. They are there because they died in sin according to Christian theology. It is death that put them there not sin because the living person who chooses to go to Hell does not disappear from earth and go there.

All free will decisions are final in the sense that once they are made they are made. When you choose to create evil, the evil you make will have happened no matter what you do in the future to fix it so it is permanent and final in that sense. Free will is about being able to make final decisions and change them later. Christians say God gives us free will so that we might be good people of our own volition. When we accept this gift and we accept it by using it, we make a contract to always use it for good. But we frequently break this contract. The Christians lie that free will needs to make it possible that you will never change.

If we make a final decision against God, we need the power to change and turn to him to be still there. It is because you have the power to change but don't that you can be called stubborn. Without it you would be a puppet not a reprobate.

God should not let a person go to Hell forever just because they have chosen it. That would not be against their free will. They have still decided to abandon God forever and that doesn't change. Whether or not they get what they have decided for, their will is still the same. Christians say the marriage bond ends with death. Mormons say that a man and woman who make the final decision to be wed for time and eternity contract a marriage that will last beyond death and forever. God doesn't go along with the Mormon if Christianity is true. So why should he prefer to go along with the will of somebody who wants to be in agony and loneliness forever.

Most Christians object to the notion that Hell is the place where people freely stay and become evil and create this madhouse for it implies that Hell is not punishment for sin. They point out that if the damned are not getting punished by God but are left to their own evil devices then Hell could be far worse than it would be if it was a place where God in fairness punished the damned and restrained them from being overly cruel to one another.

Many of those who die without believing in or obeying Christ are caring people. Christians are asking us to believe they are reprobates who want to shun God and all that is loved by God and all other people by going to Hell if they die. The solution that free will makes Hell is no solution at all and only serves to make the Hell doctrine more vindictive. Even the most liberal of theologians, even those who say we must believe in the possibility of Hell but not necessarily that there is anybody in it, are being vindictive. They are still saying the Hell treatment would be right.