Do we prevent somebody being hurt by superstition or faith by rejecting and challenging those things? 

Is it mistaken to support organised religion in membership or donations?

If people do good because they are human, not because God prompts them then is it right to risk giving God any credit when they alone own their good?

 


Accounts of Translation of Book of Mormon - Could Smith have really translated but given a doctored one to his secretaries who wrote down his "translation"?

Joseph Smith made it a core principle of Mormonism that the Book of Mormon supersedes the Bible for there are issues with the latters' translation.  Its an article of faith that the Book of Mormon is the word of God.  He said that the Book of Mormon was the most correct book on earth which suggests it is absolutely infallible and translated correctly.  He said man can get closest to God through this book.

God gave Smith the power to translate this book from Gold Plates.  He used magical glasses that showed him the translated text and then it was written down by a secretary.  No unbiased person ever saw those items.

CASE FOR AN INVENTED TRANSLATION

If Smith had gold plates then this is the case against his being unable to translate.

Nobody ever saw the glass spectacles Smith used to translate or saw him using them. God supposedly put them with the plates for translation.  Smith's claims are lies for how can you trust the translation when you cannot see what was provided to accomplish it?  Even worse Smith used a common stone as a seer stone - an occult device!  The Book of Mormon is a claimed occult translation rather than a religious one.

Despite the method being perfect - eg visions of the translated text given by God to Smith in a seer stone - the Book of Mormon needed a lot of fixing.  It is not perfect.  Smith himself did a lot of editing and revising even after publication.

Smith said his firstborn son would be the translator.  That baby died.

Smith got false revelations through his seer stone - eg when he got a prediction that the Book of Mormon copyright would be sold.  He admitted some of his revelations were from the devil.

Oliver Cowdery did some translating but it was more like imagination that was really at work.  He showed no evidence of significant prophetic ability.  Smith didn't show it either but that is not the point.  Smith tried to predict the future etc.  God supposedly told Oliver through Smith “Be patient my son, for it is wisdom in me, and it is not expedient that you should translate at this present time.” None of this inspires confidence in the Book of Mormon.  It was alleged that Oliver could not understand the method given as follows, "You must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right, I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you."  More likely it was the case that the technique failed!

Smith was blocked from translating by sin - and even when he said he was able to translate he was sinning worse than ever!

Smith failed to restore the Book of Lehi after much hard translating work.  116 pages were accomplished but lost and Smith lamely argued that God told him to use a different part of the plates instead.  It could be argued that if he really translated Lehi then what he replaced it with could be his own invention  Maybe God banned him from translating after that?

Smith's attempt to get Charles Anthon to verify his translation failed.  Anton wrote that it was rubbish.

THE WEB
 
FULFILLED PROPHECIES OF JOSEPH SMITH
www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_prophecies.shtml

THE BOOK OF MORMON WITNESSES
www.exmormon.org/file9.htm
Excellent refutation of the claims of the witnesses of the Book of Mormon
 
JOSEPH SMITH AS A PROPHET by Richard Packham
www.exmormon.org/prophet.htm
Refutes the Mormon claim that Smith was a real prophet of God. The Mormons accept the validity of Ezekiel 12:21-28 which says that if a prophecy is too long in being fulfilled then it is a false prophecy. A prophecy will come true by chance given long enough. Smith made many prophecies that have not come true yet so he was a false prophet. By the same criteria, the Old Testament prophets failed and the Christian claim that they predicted Jesus and his life by the power of God is false for even if the prophecies did come true it was not God that was behind it. Doctrine and Covenants 1:37 pledges that every word prophesised by Smith will come true for God has spoken. On January 4th 1833 Smith predicted by the authority of Jesus that there were people then living who would see the twelve tribes of Israel gathered to Missouri. This never happened. Slaves did not rise up and cause a war as he predicted in Doctrine and Covenants 87. God told Smith that the communism practiced by his Church would never be done away and would still be done when he comes again (Doctrine and Covenants 104). The Mormon Church dropped the communism causing minor schisms on the basis that the Church could no longer be the true Church for doing that.
 
JERALD AND SANDRA TANNER’S DISTORTED VIEW OF MORMONISM: A RESPONSE TO MORMONISM, SHADOW OR REALITY?
www.xmission.com/~country/reason/ldshist1.htm This page shows plainly the harm that the Christian Church in general is doing with its rotten Bible for the evil commanded by God in the Bible is defended on the basis that it has a purpose known to God and this is used to justify the terrible doctrines such as polygamy that the Mormons used to live out. The page does what all apologists for religion does, ignore the major problems and nitpicks on rather minor errors in the hope of showing the critics to be not worth listening to. For example, the Tanners believed that Joseph Smith copied his father’s story of a dream he had in 1811 into the Book of Mormon as the dream of Lehi because Joseph’s mother Lucy wrote about the dream in 1845 and the two were identical in all serious points. The page says that Lucy Smith simply filled in her memory of her husband’s dream subconsciously from the Book of Mormon. But she had family and friends to help her remember. The page says that since the Book of Mormon was written first and she was writing 15 years later it is wrong to say that the author of the Book of Mormon was the one doing the copying. But how do you know? It is still most probable that the Tanners are right. If it is not then we still have no reason to take one side or the other. Anyway, what about the more serious objections to the Book of Mormon that the Tanners made? He’s nitpicking. The page says that since the Temple ceremony of the Mormons has many elements in it like Masonry that Smith did not borrow from Masonry for Masonry might have been partly divinely inspired. This denies Occam’s Razor, stick to the simplest explanation and that is that Smith stole Masonic rites. With the logic of the page you could say the book or song you got caught plagiarising was not copied on purpose but somebody must have telepathically put the words of an existing song and the music into your unsuspecting mind.

BY HIS OWN HAND ON PAPYRUS, Charles Larson
At Mormons in Transition Website www.irr.org
 
MORE PROBLEMS WITH THE FIRST VISION, ANSWERING DR CLANDESTINE, Jerald and Sandra Tanner
www.xmission.com/~country/reason/clndst10.htm

PHILOSOPHICAL PROBLEMS WITH THE MORMON CONCEPT OF GOD, Francis J Beckwith,
www.equip.org/free/DM410.htm

Barry R Bickmore
www.geocities.com/Athens/parthenon/2671/EC.html
 
MORMON SCHOLARSHIP, APOLOGETICS AND EVANGELICAL NEGLECT, Carl Mosser and Paul Owen,
 www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/cpoint10-2.html#mosserowen

BOOK OF MORMON QUESTIONS
www.lds-mormon.com/bookofmormonquestions.shtml

MORMONISM UNVAILED: MORE EVIDENCE THAT IT IS TRUE. Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
 www.carm.org/lds/unveiled_defended.htm

THE ABRIDGEMENT OF D&C 137
 www.saintsalive./com/mormonism/falseprophetjs/htm

THE BOOK OF MORMON: ONE TOO MANY M’S Stephen Van Eck
 www.infidels.org/library/modern/stephen_eck/toomany.html
 
EGYPTIAN CHARACTERS
www.mormonstudies.com/seer2.htm
This shows that when Smith translated the book of Abraham he invented hieroglyphics where there was a piece missing from the papyri. The characters Smith added make no sense to translators. Yet he translated these imaginary hieroglyphics! His mother and close associate David Whitmer spoke of Joseph copying characters of the gold plates of the Book of Mormon before he translated and that like the Book of Abraham Smith often produced two lines in the manuscript with the translation of a single character which shows that the whole Book of Mormon thing was a hoax.
 
MORMON FARMS
www.xmission.com~country/reason/farms_1.htm
by Jerald and Sandra Tanner. Gathers evidence that indicates that it was possible that Smith was insane and had manic depression.
 
DR CHARLES ANTHON RE AUTHENTICITY OF WRITING SAMPLES ALLEGEDLY COPIED FROM THE GOLDEN PLATES
www.mormonism-web.com/anthon.htm

INTERVIEW OF MARTIN HARRIS
www.xmission.com/~research/about/docum4.htm

COMMENTS ON THE BOOK OF MORMON WITNESSES: A RESPONSE TO JERALD AND SANDRA TANNER
www.mormons.org/response/bom/witnesses_Roper.htm
A ridiculous rebuttal that has been taken into account for this book and refuted.

FACTS ON THE BOOK OF MORMON WITNESSES, PART 1
 
www.irr.org/mit/bomwit1.html
Excellent refutation of the reliability of the witnesses to the Book of Mormon
 
THE STOLEN MANUSCRIPT
www.utlm.org/onlineresources/bom_early_problems/goldenbible_stolenmanuscript.htm