Do we prevent somebody being hurt by superstition or faith by rejecting and challenging those things? 

Is it mistaken to support organised religion in membership or donations?

If people do good because they are human, not because God prompts them then is it right to risk giving God any credit when they alone own their good?

 


THE GOD DEFYING SIDE OF BAPTISM

Church defines occultism as trying to get the better of God

Magic or the occult is the use of non-physical or supernatural or spiritual power to affect the physical.

The Church claims that occultism is the use of powers that are not from God, in other words, they are from Satan and his minions. Even miracles done in the name of God can be occultic if they are designed to attract people away from the true religion of God. The Church would see divine miracles that gain converts for Islam and which defend Islam as occult for it considers Christianity and not Islam to be the one true faith.

It is hideous to say that God's grace is needed to get you into Heaven and this grace corrects the moral and spiritual defects in you and that receptivity to grace is administered to babies in baptism. This is clearly forced conversion where the child is anti-God by default and then forced to be receptive by baptism. The implication is that the force is justifiable for the baby is so bad.

If God does not force, then baptism is an attempt to say he does and to force him. It is occult to force unwanted supernatural forces on a baby. The main objection religion has to the occult is that it supposedly seeks to manipulate others and God or worse to force them

Baptism and the sacraments are occult

It is interesting that when the Bible God is so vehemently opposed to casting spells and trying to communicate with the dead and wants mediums killed, that the Church claims that its problem with these things is that they try to force God and the spirits with him to do things. This would refute the power of the sacraments to convey divine grace for they compel God to give this grace. The Church will then reply that God has chosen to do it this way. But magic-workers and mediums say that God, the gods and spirits have consented to respond to spells and to speak through the mediums. All mediums claim that they cannot converse with the dead unless the dead are interested in conversing. The Bible ban implies that all attempts to communicate with God and spirits and to do magic are immoral for they are trying to control Heaven. The logic is that since the acts look that way that is enough to justify saying that they are trying to manipulate God. The death penalty is prescribed for such crimes underlining the correctness of this observation for something so drastic wouldnít be part of the equation unless it was believed to be such a serious and cruel blasphemy. The sacraments look as if they are forcing God therefore they are under the ban too for they are classified as occult. The sacraments are actually more like trying to manipulate God than spiritualism or magic could ever be. Why? Because doing a sacrament so that a forgiving God can forgive sins when he would rather forgive as soon as the person is ready for pardon is making that God refrain from what he would like to do, for a time. Trying to make God send a nice day tomorrow is not as serious as that.

The Church has to accuse the spirits and magic workers who deny that they force God or the spirits, of lying. How unfair. Being accused of being a fraud just for having different supernatural practices to the people of God! They have to be accused of trying to force God for that is the only justification for condemning them and accusing them of acting in bad faith and deserving punishment. The Bible commanded the death penalty for them. It is not because they are frauds for God did not want thieves and frauds put to death. God regarded them as genuine.

The argument that they force, warns that God does not allow the dead to speak with the living unless he sends them. What this really says is that he prefers to allow demons to do it if they are really contacting otherworldly entities at all. A nice God would respect their belief and send the dead instead. Whatís the harm as long as the dead donít tell too much? The ban indicates that God and his cronies do not believe in respecting the beliefs of those who differ from them.

Magic could still be possible if there is a God for God could have supplied forces which we can manipulate. Yet the Bible says that belief in magic insults God meaning that it must be trying to make him do things for you against his will. When it goes that far it is clear that it could not tolerate sacramentalism of any kind. Sacramentalists must hold that God would want priests who are invalidly ordained to be despised and executed if this was Old Testament days for their sacraments are spells for they are not drawing on the power of God.

Fake sacraments worse than idols

God says he will share none of his glory with idols (Isaiah 42:8). Not even a little bit. He will not share his glory with sacraments that he has not instituted and certainly not with them when they are occult.

To err about how God gives grace is far worse than to err about the nature of God and mistake an idol for him. Knowing the true God is useless without being able to appropriate his grace. Grace is the essence of a personal and real relationship with God. A religion that has the right God but the wrong way to approach him is more dangerous than one that has an idolatrous God because it gets your guard down and makes your heart harder against the right way to come to God for it will be plausible. God says that anybody that knows him and wonít come to him but uses the wrong way to approach him will be rejected for he guides them to see that they are or at least may be wrong. The devil works stronger through sacramentalism if it fails to give grace than he does through idolatry.

Baptism is anti-God and pro-priestly-witchdoctor

John 1:13 is supposed to prove that baptism does not forgive sins or make people the children of God for it says these happen by the will of God and not man. It is supposed that if it happened in baptism then salvation would be the decision of men. The error here is in assuming that it means by the will of God alone without men being involved. People cannot be born of God unless they are preached to so man has some part to play so man might have a role to play in baptism that saves too. The preacher decided to save them and so did God. They were saved by the will of men and God. Some think the text does not rule out baptism for it says that we are saved by the will of God alone and this will works though baptism.

So the Bible saying we are saved by the will of man not God doesnít exclude God using men to save us. But with baptism we are saved by the will of men. If the men didnít save us God wouldnít. Men do not save us by preaching the way to salvation to us. We make the decision to be saved not them. It is true then that John 1:13 DOES forbid the doctrine of salvation by baptism. Practically, there is no difference between man claiming to be our saviour and between God giving priests the power to save us so that they can decide if we should be saved.

Baptism is an attempt to force obedience to God on the baby

The Church says that original sin is the state of being hostile to God from the first moment of your existence and this hostility is inherited from Adam who rebelled against God. So then the baby that is baptised doesnít want to be baptised or healed of this sin for it doesnít like God. Baptism is clearly opposed to the choice of the baby and religious freedom. What about older people who get baptised? Godís grace can work on their minds and hearts to make them want deliverance from their antagonism towards God in baptism. This cannot happen with a baby. It would make more sense if the Church held that babies should not be baptised and that if they die they will grow up and have to make the same choice between Heaven and Hell as the rest of us. When baptism is able to save a baby and change its choice it is clear that we are dealing with magic pure and simple and black magic at that!