Do we prevent somebody being hurt by superstition or faith by rejecting and challenging those things? 

Is it mistaken to support organised religion in membership or donations?

If people do good because they are human, not because God prompts them then is it right to risk giving God any credit when they alone own their good?

 


ECUMENISM IS A CHARADE, AGAINST THE HYPOCRISY OF ECUMENISM

Ecumenism is about bringing different religions together in friendship and unity.

Despite what Jesus said about religious teachers who came before him without being authorised by him Christianity for its own purposes is involved in ecumenism. Read John 10:7 where Jesus annunciates, "Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture" (NKJV). He condemned Buddha and Krishna and Zoroaster as liars not just as blind religious leaders leading the blind.

Jesus says in John 10,

 1 Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.

2 The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep.

3 The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.

4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice.

5 But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.”

6 Jesus used this figure of speech, but the Pharisees did not understand what he was telling them.

7 Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep.

 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them.

9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture.

10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

12 The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.

13 The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.

14 “I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me—

15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again.

18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

19 The Jews who heard these words were again divided.

20 Many of them said, “He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him?”

21 But others said, “These are not the sayings of a man possessed by a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?”

This text shows that if God sends a real shepherd the fruit is that the people who are good will know his voice.  This is a nod to the idea of by their fruits you know them.  Jesus dismisses anybody who claims to be a follower and has not come into the sheepfold to put his opinion on faith and morals above their own.  They are thieves and robbers for they seek the benefits of religious observance while others are the ones submitting their minds and lives at great potential cost.  The text seems anti-clerical as well if you understand hired hand as a clergyman.

By their fruits you know them and his saying, "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit", is clearly an attack at any other shepherd and the religions they found.  He will not accept the argument, "Its not all bad."  As the good is the enemy of the best only the best will do.

Ecumenism is the face of the religious conspiracy to mask the fact that religion is divisive and causes suspicion and trouble and war. Ecumenism is so artificial and obviously shameful that it can’t make any advantageous impact on the world peace scene. Suicide bombers kill for religion because they think they will awaken in paradise. They are the people who sign the affidavit that religious belief causes death and destruction and even peaceable forms of it are dangerous in their own blood. Once you choose faith over reason and human welfare and no matter how decent you are, you are advocating what could snowball into an openly destructive form of faith. All suicide bombers started off believing that God came first not people (a belief advocated by the evil Jesus when he said that the greatest command is the love of God and the second greatest and therefore less important one was love of neighbour – so people are to be valued for God and not for themselves, it is really only religion that ultimately matters). Their belief that religion mattered not people was the seed that grew into the tree that led them to bring on their horrific deaths. They were murderers in their attitudes long before they murdered. Whoever devalues people is a killer in his heart and desires no matter how much charm he pours out on them.

The Catholic gospel teaches that you must be saved by the sacraments which induce faith and hope and charity. The Protestant gospel says you simply ask Jesus with sincerity to save you and he does so you are saved forever and sacraments and good works have nothing to do with this. The liberal Christian gospel cares little for doctrine and thinks you will go to Heaven if you do good. Some Churches say you need to keep parts of the Jewish law to be saved. All those different Christianities! Paul the apostle wrote in Galatians 1:6 and 7 says there is no gospel but one. This clearly shows that ecumenism is a religious con. If Mathematicians who agree that 1 and 1 is 2 discover mathematicians who say it is 3 they cannot seek to forge relationships with them for that gives credence to their errors. If they do, you get the sense that the friendship is false and superficial.

A religion is not the people who comprise it. It is a system. It is ultimately certain religious systems that are bad. Catholics can be good people in a bad system, Catholicism. What has this to do with ecumenism? The Protestant, for example, who attends the Catholic Mass in order to forge better relations with the Catholic people is making a mistake. He means to embrace the people but embracing and honouring the system is not the way to do it unless that system is considered to be good within reason. He is also making them think that their system is fine when it is not.

Tolerance is a big virtue these days. It is insulting for it implies putting up with something undesirable. Religious tolerance means one religion merely stomaching the others that disagree with it. There should be no religion as there is enough around to test our tolerance without it adding to the problems. Religion like a lot of things that are going around is inherently sectarian. Intolerance always starts with repressed hatred as signified by tolerance. Ecumenism is just snow over the manure heap. Its good effects cannot last.

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SEPARATION TEXTS

Ecumenical Indifferentism is opposed to Christ who said that he was the truth. Christ hates indifferentism, “Publish openly the good news to every creature” (Mark 16:15 AB). The practitioner of this ecumenism is no Christian. Christ and the apostles forbade any reluctance to spread the good news (Ezekiel 33:8). The Christians believe that Jesus died because he taught and valued what he thought was the truth. For the Christian to have become an indifferentist is to call Christ mad.

In 1 Corinthians 5:11, God tells us not to eat with apostate Christians or ones who are sincerely wrong – the idolaters. He is not telling us to make social pariahs of them for he encouraged trying to bring straying people back and required evangelisation of pagans. Eating with them would signify religious fellowship but he does not want us to support their religion in any way or to worship with them or listen to their preaching. In short, you associate with them in every way and preach to them but it has to be a one way street for you. In defiance, Catholicism and many of the Protestant Churches support and have prayers with other religions. The Bible perceives paganism as demonolatry (1 Corinthians 10:20) which is why the Christian is not permitted to have religious fellowship with the pagan or the unbeliever (2 Corinthians 6:14-18). It is amazing how many disobey. Even the pope disregards what his God has said these days.

St Paul commanded the people he duped into following his Jesus to avoid heretics (Titus 3:10; 2 Thessalonians 3:14, 15) and 1 Timothy 3:5 says that all heretics who command what is against the moral code of God must be avoided. Today, we see Protestant Churches meeting the Catholic Church with open arms despite its shameless disobedience of the Bible. He could have seen to it that people could face the heretics after learning they couldn’t be right thus guaranteeing immunity to their influence but he did not. Christianity does not like people looking too closely at the case against the faith. We read that we must not let a heretic come into our houses or say hello to them (2 John 5:10). Jesus wanted a heretic to be treated as an outcast (Matthew 18). Obviously, these precepts forbid attending the worship of any religion that is not your own. In those days, the Church had direct revelation from Heaven through the apostles so now that the apostles are gone these rules are even more binding. Falling into heresy is easier today than then without the chief guardians of the faith.

The New Testament strictly warns about the infiltration of the Church by heretics and says it will worsen after the apostles die. When it says that people prefer false religion to God’s way how could it tolerate anything like ecumenism?

These teachings of separation come from the Old Testament which Christians are to adhere to in the spirit of the Law (page 5, The Unequal Yoke). God was so strict that once he forbade a prophet to even eat in a land where unbelievers were everywhere and he rejected that prophet and murdered him just because he made a friendly gesture with an other prophet who had backslidden (1 Kings 13:21-24).

Jesus claimed to be the way, truth and the life (John 14:6)- that is he gives us the life of God and we experience God living inside us. It follows then that he came to be truth and life for us. It follows then that once you believe in him and experience his life-giving power you have no excuse for departing from the faith or any part of it. The New Testament claims to be the truth and that those who believe have the truth (2 Timothy 6:3,4). So it is forbidden for the Christian to say, “I believe I have the truth”. The Christian must say, “I have the truth.” There is no doubt that Christianity advocates stubborn arrogance. Truth is naturally intolerant of error so if you have the truth then tolerating those who differ or their views would be wrong. A mathematics professor who believes that 2+2=5 will be rejected from his university and from any gatherings. If you claim to have the truth then you must claim the right to separate from anybody who contradicts you except to plead with them to see their errors.

CAN CATHS AND PRODS LOVE EACH OTHER?

Christians say that they don't believe in forcing people to convert to the Christian faith because they can't force others to convert. The conversions wouldn't be sincere. Translation: we are right and it is unfortunate if others disagree with us. We would force them if we could. What a pity we can't force them or make the decision for them.

Today the leaders of Catholicism and orthodox Protestantism are often busy hugging and kissing one another. Oh how false all this is.

Catholics and Protestants are in agreement that all are sinners and in need of the mercy of God. Catholics believe in mortal sin, sin that tears you away from God, and which will put you in Hell forever if you die in it, and in venial sin which is a small offence that does not ruin the friendship. The Protestants believe only in mortal sin. They imagine that they will get away with their mortal sins for Jesus got all the blame and suffered the punishment due to them for us, Rome views this as grave error. Protestants believe that man is incapable of good works unless man becomes a Christian so all is sin and even Christians are not without sin but are capable of good works.

Both cults say they cannot go for long without committing a sin and Protestantism says that anybody who was not saved by Jesus does nothing else and say even the saved sin a lot every day. Anyone who commits a venial sin thinking that it is mortal is guilty of a mortal sin because that is what they intended to commit. The Protestants are guilty of mortal sin most of the time.

Unless the Protestants cease to believe that all sin is mortal it is unlikely for them to be saved. The person who won’t try to convert them to Catholicism is forcing them to sin mortally by keeping silent.

If Catholics really loved Protestants they would be trying to the utmost to get them out of their religion to save them from everlasting damnation. They would be convincing them that they are wrong to teach that the born again Christian can die in serious sin and still go to Heaven immediately. They would be as zealous as the Jehovah’s Witnesses and go from Protestant door to Protestant door. Every Catholic would be trained to save them. It has to be done as fast as possible in case some of them die suddenly. Moreover, Catholics have a duty to reduce mortal sinning but every minute they delay they are making the Protestants sin more which is a mortal sin. To let someone go to Hell or sin mortally is the summit of hatred.

We are all capable of hate. If you don’t hate anybody that is leading others into Hell by sin then you don’t really believe in Hell or care much about the victims. You are more abnormal and depraved than a psychopathic murderer if you don’t care. What makes it even more abnormal is that the Church tells us we are biased towards doing evil. We like evil better so we should be more prone to hating those who draw others into Hell than not. Hate is not a sin if you cannot help it and how could you love anybody that damns souls? Eternal punishing, a beloved dogma of Jesus, Catholicism, Protestantism and Islam is a doctrine that incites hatred. How could you even smile if people are being damned? It would be sick to be happy.

The Church of Rome says that it is wrong to stand by and let others fall into mortal sin for it is the greatest evil. If she really believes this she will have to agree with the kidnapping of Protestant babies to have them raised as Catholics to prevent them growing up to sin mortally all the time if not all the time. If the babies cannot be reared as Catholics then they have to be murdered to prevent their being raised as Protestants for the salvation of their souls. The Catholic cannot suppose that it is up to God to see to their salvation for that logic would forbid trying to deflect sinners from unrighteousness and would be saying that we need to try to convert nobody.

Catholics have no right to allege that it is okay to do nothing for the Protestants wouldn’t listen to them anyway for they don’t know how they will react or if those who react badly will not soften up later. If everybody thought like that there would be no missionary work done – ever. Jesus commanded missions so he opposed such ideas as excuses.

Converting is the Holy Spirit’s job though he won’t do it at times without human instruments. His work is invisible and he is at work inside the person. This means that Catholics should not be afraid to pester Protestants for they might be getting through when it seems they are not. God says people are sinners and therefore strange. Catholics should not shy away from getting on their nerves for it is better to do that than to risk them receiving everlasting misery. The only thing that would release them from their obligation to evangelise would be if they were putting people off belief but this is no excuse. If it has repelled most people before, today is another day. It might seem to put some off the Catholic Church but if they oppose the idea of turning to Catholicism because of the way those who proclaim it carry on then they are not really turned off by the Church but just pretend they are to gratify their disgusted feelings. They have brains and must know that a religion isn’t proved untrue by the behaviour of its members. They are still open to the gospel. Hostility does not mean that there is no success for some people do not like what they are coming to believe and won’t admit their belief.

Instead of loving Protestants by turning them to Rome, Rome has ecumenical relations with them.

Protestants are encouraging sin by reciprocating these relations.

If all sin is mortal, then Catholics should be told. Even if a person will sin mortally anyway, it is still wrong to encourage it by letting the person feel that the sin is venial. The Bible says that nobody can earn salvation for all are sinners so believers in venial sin are being accused of pretending that they don’t fully reject God. Protestantism has to look upon Catholicism as a hoax and an enemy and not a religion. Such a belief would justify the persecution of the Roman Church.

What you have read is enough to convince anybody that there is no Holy Spirit guiding the Catholic or Protestant Churches. Ecumenism is a human effort and cannot last. It is not meant to anyway for it is about appearances.


BIBLE QUOTATIONS FROM:
The Amplified Bible

BOOKS CONSULTED

A Shattered Visage The Real Face of Atheism, Ravi Zacharias, Wolgemuth & Hyatt, Tenneessee, 1990
A Woman Rides the Beast, Dave Hunt, Harvest House, Eugene, Oregon, 1994
All Roads Lead to Rome, Michael de Semlyen, Dorchester House Publications, Bucks, 1993 (page 120 recounts Cardinal Konig of Vienna’s testimony that the Vatican helped Nazi war criminals to escape)
Blind Alley Beliefs, David Cook, Pickering & Inglis, Glasgow, 1979
Catholicism and Fundamentalism, Karl Keating, Ignatius Press, San Francisco, 1988
Christianity, David Albert Jones, OP, Family Publications, Oxford, 1999
Crisis of Moral Authority, Don Cupitt, SCM Press, London, 1985
Documents of the Christian Church, edited by Henry Bettenson, Oxford University Press, Oxford, 1979
Ecumenical Jihad, Peter Kreeft, Ignatius Press, San Francisco, 1996
European Union and Roman Catholic Influence In Britain, David N Samuel, The Harrison Trust, Kent, 1995
“God, That’s not fair!’ Dick Dowsett, OMF Books, Overseas Missionary Fellowship, Belmont, The Vine, Sevenoaks, Kent TN13 3TZ] Kent, 1982
Handbook of Christian Apologetics, Peter Kreeft and Ronald Tacelli, Monarch, East Sussex, 1995
Human Rights, Michael Bertram Crowe Veritas, Dublin, 1978
In God’s Name, David Yallop, Corgi, London, 1987
Is the Roman Catholic Church a Secret Society? John V Simcox, Warren Sandell and Raymond Winch Watts & Co London, 1946
Is There Salvation Outside The Catholic Church? Fr J Bainvel SJ, TAN, Illinois, 1979
Jesus the Only Saviour, Tony and Patricia Higton, Monarch Tunbridge Wells, Kent, 1993
New Catholic Encyclopedia, The Catholic University of America and the McGraw-Hill Book Company, Inc., Washington, District of Columbia, 1967
Radio Replies, Vol 1, Frs Rumble and Carty, Radio Replies Press, St Paul, Minnesota, 1938
Radio Replies, Vol 2, Frs Rumble and Carty, Radio Replies Press, St Paul, Minnesota 1940
Radio Replies, Vol 3, Frs Rumble and Carty, Radio Replies Press, St Paul, Minnesota 1942
Religious Freedom, A Fundamental Right, Michael Swhwartz, Liguori Publications, Missouri, 1987
Roman Catholicism, Loraine Boettner, Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Company, Phillipsburg, New Jersey, 1987
Rome – Our Enemy, Clifford Smyth, Puritan Printing, Belfast, 1975
Spy in the Vatican 1941-45, Branko Bokun, Tom Stacey Books, London, 1973
The Church of Rome, Wilson Ewin, Bible Baptist Church, Nashua NH USA
The Last Temptation of Christ, Its Deception and What you Should Do About it, Erwin T Lutzer, Moody Press, Chicago, 1988
The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life, Watchtower, New York, 1968
The Unequal Yoke, John R Rice, Sword of the Lord, Murfreesboro, Tennessee, 1946
The Upside-Down Kingdom, Donald B Kraybill Marshalls, Hants, 1978
Unholy Sacrifices of the New Age, Paul de Parrie and Mary Pride, Crossway Books, Westchester, Illinois 1988
Vicars of Christ, Peter de Rosa, Corgi Books, London, 1993
Walking with Unbelievers, Michael Paul Gallagher SJ, Veritas Dublin 1985
What About Those Who Have Never Heard? Radio Bible Class, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1986
Whatever Happened to Heaven? Dave Hunt, Harvest House, Publishers, Oregon, 1988

THE WWW

www.ewtn.com/library/SCRIPTUR/LEFEBVRE.TXT
Archbishop Lefebvre and the Declaration on Religious Liberty. This page argues that Vatican II never changed the position of the Church on religious liberty though the Archbishop said it did and contradicted tradition and eventually made his Society of St Pius X break with Rome. The tradition of the Church which is infallible for it has always being taught says that the true Church should be professed by each country. Each country should have the Catholic Church as the state religion.

The Church says the state needs God and must worship God as a state. The Church still rejects the doctrine that every person has the right to believe in whatever religion his reason tells him is true for nobody has the right to be wrong. True nobody has the right to be wrong but nothing can be done about this for everybody has the right to follow reason as they see it as long as they are doing their best. The doctrine of the Church is that error should be suppressed for the common good of the people. For example, if censoring Protestantism would lead to civil war you have to tolerate their error. If Protestants are taking members from the state Church and can be peaceably stopped it is a different story. The Catholic doctrine of religious liberty is that nobody can be forced to believe – that is all.

www.catholicism.org/pages/summary.htm#inv
Doctrinal Summary by Br Thomas Mary MICM. This page informs us that Catholic teaching is that if you hear of the Catholic Church and don’t join it or study it your damnation is guaranteed. It affirms that babies that die without baptism will be banned from Heaven forever.

Can Non-Catholics be Saved?
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/debate9.htm